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I notice there is a lot of XYZ is implying that ABC cheated in the chess world. Is such indirectness a cultural/convention thing, or a is there some greater gam

I notice there is a lot of XYZ is implying that ABC cheated in the chess world. Is such indirectness a cultural/convention thing, or a is there some greater game theory going on?

jstx1 4y ago
Some of the indirectness is likely because of how recent it is - as a player you don't want to speak about something that is being currently investigated. I think people who expect Magnus to just explain everything asap are being a bit too harsh.
killingtime74 4y ago
I suppose if you don’t have hard evidence all you can do is insinuate without getting in trouble yourself (defamation?). Not saying there’s no cheating. Frequently in criminal world for certain things like insider trading or cartels you need a whistle blower to really get any evidence, without it it’s hard to gather.
mattigames 4y ago
We have lost the count of the amount of people that have risk their lives trying to cheat in sports (e.g. the Olympics), I actually find it a bit surprising that it took this long to ocurre in Chess world, specially given how long small wireless devices have been available.
- bspammer 4y ago
  I doubt a small wireless device is even the easiest way to cheat. Very little information needs to be transmitted: 2-3 bits at the right time could give a player a huge advantage. To me it seems easier to use a stooge in the audience. Information could be transmitted as coughs of varying volume, pitch, length, rubbing your eyes/nose, or any number of even more discreet ways. To completely remove suspicion, you’d need to start playing games in a faraday cage in a soundproof room with no spectators.
  - Euphorbium 4y ago
    Faraday cage only works against specific frequency, to overcome it all you need to do is use different frequency.
wjnc 4y ago
What I think is that compared to many other sports Chess is less centralized. In for example many athletic sports there is a pretty clear hierarchy : local clubs - national association - international association (socces, tennis, with notable exceptions like boxing, or even the less clear UEFA - FIFA hierarchy; US sports are often very centralized). So the rules of chess are clear, but the sport is practiced online over many different venues and organizers (like: boxing or MMA) that don't all seem to fall under one set of guiding principles. So there is no appeal to authority, even when the sports biggest star is a part of a controversy. That being said, based on this article I think Chess.com is just stringing out the controversy for maximal exposure. Again, akin to the controversies in boxing or say MMA.
Nokinside 4y ago
Accusation without evidence is a legal liability. It's not gentlemanly.
- permo-w 4y ago
  neither is posting José saying “if I speak I am in big trouble” on twitter

I notice there is a lot of XYZ is implying that ABC cheated in the chess world. Is such indirectness a cultural/convention thing, or a is there some greater game theory going on?

jstx1 4y ago

Some of the indirectness is likely because of how recent it is - as a player you don't want to speak about something that is being currently investigated. I think people who expect Magnus to just explain everything asap are being a bit too harsh.

killingtime74 4y ago

I suppose if you don’t have hard evidence all you can do is insinuate without getting in trouble yourself (defamation?). Not saying there’s no cheating. Frequently in criminal world for certain things like insider trading or cartels you need a whistle blower to really get any evidence, without it it’s hard to gather.

mattigames 4y ago

We have lost the count of the amount of people that have risk their lives trying to cheat in sports (e.g. the Olympics), I actually find it a bit surprising that it took this long to ocurre in Chess world, specially given how long small wireless devices have been available.

bspammer 4y ago
I doubt a small wireless device is even the easiest way to cheat. Very little information needs to be transmitted: 2-3 bits at the right time could give a player a huge advantage. To me it seems easier to use a stooge in the audience. Information could be transmitted as coughs of varying volume, pitch, length, rubbing your eyes/nose, or any number of even more discreet ways. To completely remove suspicion, you’d need to start playing games in a faraday cage in a soundproof room with no spectators.
- Euphorbium 4y ago
  Faraday cage only works against specific frequency, to overcome it all you need to do is use different frequency.

wjnc 4y ago

What I think is that compared to many other sports Chess is less centralized. In for example many athletic sports there is a pretty clear hierarchy : local clubs - national association - international association (socces, tennis, with notable exceptions like boxing, or even the less clear UEFA - FIFA hierarchy; US sports are often very centralized). So the rules of chess are clear, but the sport is practiced online over many different venues and organizers (like: boxing or MMA) that don't all seem to fall under one set of guiding principles. So there is no appeal to authority, even when the sports biggest star is a part of a controversy. That being said, based on this article I think Chess.com is just stringing out the controversy for maximal exposure. Again, akin to the controversies in boxing or say MMA.

Nokinside 4y ago

Accusation without evidence is a legal liability. It's not gentlemanly.

permo-w 4y ago
neither is posting José saying “if I speak I am in big trouble” on twitter