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maybe this is a moot question, but if there is an embargo on iran and you host a proxy like that, are you, as an american, not commiting a crime? The way I und

maybe this is a moot question, but if there is an embargo on iran and you host a proxy like that, are you, as an american, not commiting a crime? The way I understand it people need special licenses in order to operate in iran (meta) and therfore the probability of being sued is very high?

killingtime74 4y ago
Usually legal jurisdiction goes with geography. There are Exceptions (crimes against humanity, sex tourism things). If you host it outside Iran and you are outside Iran, then it’s just a theoretical crime? extra territorial example: it may be a crime to do things/speak ill of a foreign government. If you lived there you’d get arrested. What if you did this while sitting in your bedroom overseas?
- Dobbs 4y ago
  This doesn't seem accurate. US Citizens/Residents/People who travel into the US who do many types of business with Iran can get into legal trouble. The person you are responding to is asking if that would apply here.
  - killingtime74 4y ago
    Ah in that situation, your trouble would be with the Iranian government when you travel back to Iran? Of course countries can generally pass laws that do anything (they can execute people no?). In western legal tradition extra territoriality is reserved for special situations. In places like Iran where the rule of law is weak it does not apply. But then in that sense Iran can do whatever it wants once they get their hands on you, laws or not
    - asdfaoeu 4y ago
      They are saying American law prohibits it.
- sofixa 4y ago
  Sadly, that's not how American sanctions, or law in general work. They claim extraterritorial jurisdiction over the whole world, and whoever and wherever you are, you might get in trouble with them for violating their sanctions or laws. FFS they give themselves the right to invade any country that dares put their war criminals on trial. E.g. BNP Paribas, a French bank, were fined for doing business in Iran. A Ukrainian was extradited from Poland to the US for hosting a pirate website.
kuyan 4y ago
Some user on reddit claims that there is a carveout for proxies like these in the US: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/xlhe0k/comment/ipjvx1a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/xlhe0k/comment/... The Treasury source they cite (https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0322 https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0322) seems to check out: > Section 560.540 of the Iranian Transactions and Sanctions Regulations (ITSR), 31 C.F.R. Part 560, authorizes the exportation from the United States or by U.S. persons, wherever located, to persons in Iran of certain publicly available, no-cost services incident to the exchange of personal communications over the Internet and certain publicly available, no-cost software necessary to enable such services.
tssva 4y ago
Exportation of software or services to facilitate personal communications of Iranian citizens is allowed under a general license as long as it is provided at no cost. General license means it does not need to be applied for.

killingtime74 4y ago

Usually legal jurisdiction goes with geography. There are Exceptions (crimes against humanity, sex tourism things). If you host it outside Iran and you are outside Iran, then it’s just a theoretical crime? extra territorial example: it may be a crime to do things/speak ill of a foreign government. If you lived there you’d get arrested. What if you did this while sitting in your bedroom overseas?

Dobbs 4y ago
This doesn't seem accurate. US Citizens/Residents/People who travel into the US who do many types of business with Iran can get into legal trouble. The person you are responding to is asking if that would apply here.
- killingtime74 4y ago
  Ah in that situation, your trouble would be with the Iranian government when you travel back to Iran? Of course countries can generally pass laws that do anything (they can execute people no?). In western legal tradition extra territoriality is reserved for special situations. In places like Iran where the rule of law is weak it does not apply. But then in that sense Iran can do whatever it wants once they get their hands on you, laws or not
  - asdfaoeu 4y ago
    They are saying American law prohibits it.
sofixa 4y ago
Sadly, that's not how American sanctions, or law in general work. They claim extraterritorial jurisdiction over the whole world, and whoever and wherever you are, you might get in trouble with them for violating their sanctions or laws. FFS they give themselves the right to invade any country that dares put their war criminals on trial. E.g. BNP Paribas, a French bank, were fined for doing business in Iran. A Ukrainian was extradited from Poland to the US for hosting a pirate website.

kuyan 4y ago

Some user on reddit claims that there is a carveout for proxies like these in the US: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/xlhe0k/comment/ipjvx1a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/xlhe0k/comment/... The Treasury source they cite (https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0322 https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0322) seems to check out: > Section 560.540 of the Iranian Transactions and Sanctions Regulations (ITSR), 31 C.F.R. Part 560, authorizes the exportation from the United States or by U.S. persons, wherever located, to persons in Iran of certain publicly available, no-cost services incident to the exchange of personal communications over the Internet and certain publicly available, no-cost software necessary to enable such services.

tssva 4y ago

Exportation of software or services to facilitate personal communications of Iranian citizens is allowed under a general license as long as it is provided at no cost. General license means it does not need to be applied for.