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When I was in kindergarten I didn't even know my teachers had first names, much less spouses. A kindergartener is not your friend to share your life with. Peopl

When I was in kindergarten I didn't even know my teachers had first names, much less spouses. A kindergartener is not your friend to share your life with. People have terrible boundaries. This is why public schooling must be destroyed.

scarface74 4y ago
So if “public school should be destroyed” what has the alternative?
tsimionescu 4y ago
I didn't say anything about the kindergarten teacher's spouse - the simple fact I was mentioning is something kids can obviously see on their own around them, and may well ask their teachers about.
UncleMeat 4y ago
And when I was in first grade my teacher got married, showed us pictures of the wedding, and changed her last name.
- Consultant32452 4y ago
  Teachers are service providers. They should have no deeper emotional bond with their students than the cashier at McDonald's has with their regular customers. Students are not friends. While the isolated story of your teacher sharing her wedding pictures is not a big ordeal, it shows an underlying problem of poor boundaries. We have a pervasive problem, at least in the US, of teacher with poor mental health and poor boundaries trying to be friends and pseudo-parents to their students.
  - UncleMeat 4y ago
    I find this approach so sad. We've let the corporatization of everything build such huge walls between us as humans. Seeing every interaction as transactional and emotionless just feels like death to me.
    - tsimionescu 4y ago
      Exactly - and teachers specifically have always been exactly formative figures in your youth. At least in my country, what the GP is saying is almost the precise opposite of how the pupil-teacher relationship is conceptualized. Indeed, people often bemoan teachers who just think they're providing a service, instead of taking their responsibility as mentors seriously.
    - Consultant32452 4y ago
      Demoralizing public school teachers and making them feel like death sounds like a win to me. The best possible outcome is they all quit and the public schools shut down. Until then, squeeze them, deny them any concept of free speech, let them know they are not to be trusted. These are government agents who have laws compelling parents to put their children in their presence. Public schools are literal prisons for children.
      - munk-a 4y ago
        So are you advocating for religious schools? Just to be clear - an informed electorate is sort of key for American Democracy so openly arguing against any form of education is a pretty clear argument against some really basic tenants of America.
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  - jonwithoutanh 4y ago
    You've got to be the most unhinged person I've ever seen write on these forums. Congratulations.
michaelmrose 4y ago
When I was in kindergarten I knew people you saw in other contexts like school were people like your family who had names and families like your family. I have no idea how one could possibly reach that age and not know that. Extending that with the idea that people's families come in all sizes and combination with some having 2 men or two women seems entirely age appropriate. In the broader context this topic would be dull as dishwater and boring as toilet training if a certain type didn't make it interesting if only as a measure of their obsession with sex and other people's mere existence transgressing on useless norms that they somehow assume are vital to our society. Outside of your fantasies teachers aren't violating your kids boundaries by having a same sex partner or a last name nor yet by telling them some households have two mommies or two daddies. What you are actually concerned about is constant exposure to reality may lead your kid to believe that its normal and acceptable for a man to love another man or a woman another woman which is ok because a substantial minority are gay and it is indeed ok for them to love whom they love. Instead you'd rather in your words "destroy public schooling" one of the most obvious wins of the modern era to avoid... your kid learning about... adam and steve.
- Consultant32452 4y ago
  Your approval is of no value and your disdain is of no concern. If it helps you to create a fantasy in your mind of what my concerns might be, you are free to do so.
  - michaelmrose 4y ago
    Please do explain how at present kids are being wronged with specific examples and feel free to follow up with what you think public schooling ought to be replaced with for the tens of millions of kids whose parents cannot afford private school.
    - Consultant32452 4y ago
      Government schools are literal prisons for children and the only place many people will ever encounter physical violence in their lifetimes. They should be replaced with nothing.
scarface74 4y ago
Well, when I was in kindergarten, I very much knew my teacher had a spouse, had twins, and she was pregnant at the time. Would it have been inappropriate if she said her and her husband was having a baby? In todays society would it have been in appropriate if she said her and her wife? How do you think these same conservatives would have felt if little Johnny came home and mentioned to their parents that their teacher spoke about her wife?

scarface74 4y ago

So if “public school should be destroyed” what has the alternative?

tsimionescu 4y ago

I didn't say anything about the kindergarten teacher's spouse - the simple fact I was mentioning is something kids can obviously see on their own around them, and may well ask their teachers about.

UncleMeat 4y ago

And when I was in first grade my teacher got married, showed us pictures of the wedding, and changed her last name.

Consultant32452 4y ago
Teachers are service providers. They should have no deeper emotional bond with their students than the cashier at McDonald's has with their regular customers. Students are not friends. While the isolated story of your teacher sharing her wedding pictures is not a big ordeal, it shows an underlying problem of poor boundaries. We have a pervasive problem, at least in the US, of teacher with poor mental health and poor boundaries trying to be friends and pseudo-parents to their students.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  I find this approach so sad. We've let the corporatization of everything build such huge walls between us as humans. Seeing every interaction as transactional and emotionless just feels like death to me.
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    Exactly - and teachers specifically have always been exactly formative figures in your youth. At least in my country, what the GP is saying is almost the precise opposite of how the pupil-teacher relationship is conceptualized. Indeed, people often bemoan teachers who just think they're providing a service, instead of taking their responsibility as mentors seriously.
  - Consultant32452 4y ago
    Demoralizing public school teachers and making them feel like death sounds like a win to me. The best possible outcome is they all quit and the public schools shut down. Until then, squeeze them, deny them any concept of free speech, let them know they are not to be trusted. These are government agents who have laws compelling parents to put their children in their presence. Public schools are literal prisons for children.
    - munk-a 4y ago
      So are you advocating for religious schools? Just to be clear - an informed electorate is sort of key for American Democracy so openly arguing against any form of education is a pretty clear argument against some really basic tenants of America.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
- jonwithoutanh 4y ago
  You've got to be the most unhinged person I've ever seen write on these forums. Congratulations.

michaelmrose 4y ago

When I was in kindergarten I knew people you saw in other contexts like school were people like your family who had names and families like your family. I have no idea how one could possibly reach that age and not know that. Extending that with the idea that people's families come in all sizes and combination with some having 2 men or two women seems entirely age appropriate. In the broader context this topic would be dull as dishwater and boring as toilet training if a certain type didn't make it interesting if only as a measure of their obsession with sex and other people's mere existence transgressing on useless norms that they somehow assume are vital to our society. Outside of your fantasies teachers aren't violating your kids boundaries by having a same sex partner or a last name nor yet by telling them some households have two mommies or two daddies. What you are actually concerned about is constant exposure to reality may lead your kid to believe that its normal and acceptable for a man to love another man or a woman another woman which is ok because a substantial minority are gay and it is indeed ok for them to love whom they love. Instead you'd rather in your words "destroy public schooling" one of the most obvious wins of the modern era to avoid... your kid learning about... adam and steve.

Consultant32452 4y ago
Your approval is of no value and your disdain is of no concern. If it helps you to create a fantasy in your mind of what my concerns might be, you are free to do so.
- michaelmrose 4y ago
  Please do explain how at present kids are being wronged with specific examples and feel free to follow up with what you think public schooling ought to be replaced with for the tens of millions of kids whose parents cannot afford private school.
  - Consultant32452 4y ago
    Government schools are literal prisons for children and the only place many people will ever encounter physical violence in their lifetimes. They should be replaced with nothing.

scarface74 4y ago

Well, when I was in kindergarten, I very much knew my teacher had a spouse, had twins, and she was pregnant at the time. Would it have been inappropriate if she said her and her husband was having a baby? In todays society would it have been in appropriate if she said her and her wife? How do you think these same conservatives would have felt if little Johnny came home and mentioned to their parents that their teacher spoke about her wife?