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Why are you omitting the entire sentence? "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in
by 0xFEEDC0DE 4y ago
Why are you omitting the entire sentence?
"Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in."
- wolfgang42 4y agoI cut the second half for brevity: it seems that the bill does in fact prevent the use of the word under at least some circumstances, so I condensed the exceptions since they’re not relevant to addressing the claim that it doesn’t do so at all.
- cronix 4y agoIt prevents talking about sexuality with children (up to 3rd grade), whether it's gay, straight, trans, furries, whatever. To say it's about one specific thing when it's about the entire subject is misrepresenting the bill.
- tsimionescu 4y agoWhy should it be more acceptable, exactly? This is not even about sexual education, it is literally illegal to explain to those kids that sometimes a man and a woman love each other, and sometimes two men or two women do the same. Of course, the first part will never be enforced, but the second and third clearly will. There is no age at which it is inappropriate to listen about these extremely basic facts of the world.
- gnaritas99 4y ago
- Consultant32452 4y agoWhen I was in kindergarten I didn't even know my teachers had first names, much less spouses. A kindergartener is not your friend to share your life with. People have terrible boundaries. This is why public schooling must be destroyed.
- scarface74 4y agoSo if “public school should be destroyed” what has the alternative?
- tsimionescu 4y agoI didn't say anything about the kindergarten teacher's spouse - the simple fact I was mentioning is something kids can obviously see on their own around them, and may well ask their teachers about.
- UncleMeat 4y agoAnd when I was in first grade my teacher got married, showed us pictures of the wedding, and changed her last name.
- Consultant32452 4y agoTeachers are service providers. They should have no deeper emotional bond with their students than the cashier at McDonald's has with their regular customers. Students are not friends. While the isolated story of your teacher sharing her wedding pictures is not a big ordeal, it shows an underlying problem of poor boundaries. We have a pervasive problem, at least in the US, of teacher with poor mental health and poor boundaries trying to be friends and pseudo-parents to their students.
- UncleMeat 4y agoI find this approach so sad. We've let the corporatization of everything build such huge walls between us as humans. Seeing every interaction as transactional and emotionless just feels like death to me.
- tsimionescu 4y agoExactly - and teachers specifically have always been exactly formative figures in your youth. At least in my country, what the GP is saying is almost the precise opposite of how the pupil-teacher relationship is conceptualized. Indeed, people often bemoan teachers who just think they're providing a service, instead of taking their responsibility as mentors seriously.
- hedora 4y agoAlso, since talking about gender identity is also disallowed, I guess the little kids will just use whatever bathrooms they want?
- DiggyJohnson 4y agoHow do you reason that whatsoever? Proper bathroom conduct in K-3 has nothing to do with sexual or gender discourse.
- hedora 4y agoAre you claiming boys and girls are the same gender?
- autoexec 4y agoThat sounds perfectly reasonable as long as the bill goes on to explicitly define in law exactly what is and is not age/developmentally appropriate. I'm going to guess that it does not and that the true point of the law is to criminalize something poorly defined so that it can be used to selectively attack anyone who covers those subjects no matter how they do it.
- Consultant32452 4y ago
- magicalist 4y ago> Laws like this are intentionally vague so we can put such a person under the prison where they belong without having to worry about them weaseling out of it. This is freedom, apparently.
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- Consultant32452 4y agoYou don't have any freedom with children who are legally compelled to be alone in a room with you.
- pantalaimon 4y agoSexual education is not 'talking dirty' and 3rd graders are usually around 9 years old.
- Consultant32452 4y agoIf you can't see the obvious difference between covering the district approved sex ed curriculum and trying to push the legal limits of what you are allowed to say to children before you go to prison, you should not be allowed around children.
- dillondoyle 4y agoThere are multiple problems with this, the biggest being defining 'appropriate.' and by their definition that somehow topics around queer people & gender can be inappropriate; this is not sex education and no, nurses are not handing out hormones to pre-teens. Many of these laws specifically enable people to sue teachers, governments, officials, women who had an abortion, etc. That enables conservative & religious fanatics to have the last say and impose their moral worldviews onto the rest of us. The fact that gay people exist is not 'appropriate' in many of their minds. Which is gross and sad. And therefore these laws give the vocal minority the power to force the rest of us back into the closet.