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Out of naive curiousity why?

by sfmike 4y ago

Yeahsureok 4y ago
Not that person above but the install flow for docker is obnoxious on windows and mac. Having to create an account for open source software isn't reasonable, there's ways around that but not easily for most people.
- riolu 4y ago
  > Not that person above but the install flow for docker is obnoxious on windows and Mac. On windows it's `winget install docker`. Mac is more of the same, just drag and drop docker desktop into your Applications. You can skip the tutorials on first launch for desktop. > Having to create an account for open source software isn't reasonable, there's ways around that but not easily for most people. Creating an account is entirely optional, it doesn't even prompt you to sign in. > there's ways around that but not easily for most people. Please explain. It never requires an account at any point of the install. It never prompts for a sign in. It's entirely optional. How much easier can "not clicking the sign in button" be? You don't even need to install docker desktop, you can just use docker CLI. It doesn't even have to be docker, you can use podman. I believe OP comment is just struggling with adapting to containerized workflows. An account is not a requirement, nor is the install process difficult. If you're still wanting to do it without a container, you can just inspect the image to see what the steps are for configuring your environment yourself. It is more work to not use a container.
  - Yeahsureok 4y ago
    Fair call, I stand corrected they have changed it all again. My information is outdated but only a few years ago required you to sign up for a docker account on win and macos. Please read the SO link. I've given up on them anyway, the good faith is burnt, it's only one middle management change away from reverting to the bs of last decade. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58133878/direct-download-of-docker-ce-installation-packages https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58133878/direct-download...
atoav 4y ago
As someone who usually avoids docker as well: I like to know what I am running. Docker adds an extra layer of obscurity and it is typically easy to get lazy and "just run" a container. Just like you should have the habbit of checking random bash scripts you download before executing them, I think there is value in knowing the moving parts of the stuff you run.
- bartimus 4y ago
  So Docker gives you Dockerfiles that show exactly what's installed. It then leverages kernel namespaces introducing that extra level of security. Or so at least that's always been how I see it.
cutler 4y ago
Because I don't need it. I learned how to manage Linux servers in the early 2000s and that works for me. Docker on a VPS is ridiculous and wherever you find Docker you inevitably end up with Kubernetes. If I had a massive fleet of servers to manage I just might need containers but I'd probably try Chef or Puppet first. Docker is like React - designed for the needs of a global-scale internet company but now sprinkled mindlessly over sites which would be well served by a static site generator.

Out of naive curiousity why?

by sfmike 4y ago

Out of naive curiousity why?

Not that person above but the install flow for docker is obnoxious on windows and mac. Having to create an account for open source software isn't reasonable, there's ways around that but not easily for most people.

riolu 4y ago
> Not that person above but the install flow for docker is obnoxious on windows and Mac. On windows it's `winget install docker`. Mac is more of the same, just drag and drop docker desktop into your Applications. You can skip the tutorials on first launch for desktop. > Having to create an account for open source software isn't reasonable, there's ways around that but not easily for most people. Creating an account is entirely optional, it doesn't even prompt you to sign in. > there's ways around that but not easily for most people. Please explain. It never requires an account at any point of the install. It never prompts for a sign in. It's entirely optional. How much easier can "not clicking the sign in button" be? You don't even need to install docker desktop, you can just use docker CLI. It doesn't even have to be docker, you can use podman. I believe OP comment is just struggling with adapting to containerized workflows. An account is not a requirement, nor is the install process difficult. If you're still wanting to do it without a container, you can just inspect the image to see what the steps are for configuring your environment yourself. It is more work to not use a container.
- Yeahsureok 4y ago
  Fair call, I stand corrected they have changed it all again. My information is outdated but only a few years ago required you to sign up for a docker account on win and macos. Please read the SO link. I've given up on them anyway, the good faith is burnt, it's only one middle management change away from reverting to the bs of last decade. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58133878/direct-download-of-docker-ce-installation-packages https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58133878/direct-download...

atoav 4y ago

As someone who usually avoids docker as well: I like to know what I am running. Docker adds an extra layer of obscurity and it is typically easy to get lazy and "just run" a container. Just like you should have the habbit of checking random bash scripts you download before executing them, I think there is value in knowing the moving parts of the stuff you run.

bartimus 4y ago
So Docker gives you Dockerfiles that show exactly what's installed. It then leverages kernel namespaces introducing that extra level of security. Or so at least that's always been how I see it.

cutler 4y ago

Because I don't need it. I learned how to manage Linux servers in the early 2000s and that works for me. Docker on a VPS is ridiculous and wherever you find Docker you inevitably end up with Kubernetes. If I had a massive fleet of servers to manage I just might need containers but I'd probably try Chef or Puppet first. Docker is like React - designed for the needs of a global-scale internet company but now sprinkled mindlessly over sites which would be well served by a static site generator.