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Does the bill in fact restrict anyone from saying the word "gay"? If not, continuing to use the misnomer is spreading misinformation.

kyrra 4y ago
Agreed. And if you actually want to read the bill, called "Parental Rights in Education": https://flgov.com/2022/03/28/governor-ron-desantis-signs-historic-bill-to-protect-parental-rights-in-education/ https://flgov.com/2022/03/28/governor-ron-desantis-signs-his... There was so much misframing and misinformation about the bill, continuing to use the Democrat and media made up name and language for the bill shows your slant. Just because many media organizations kept calling it, that doesn't mean anybody here should.
sangnoir 4y ago
> If not, continuing to use the misnomer is spreading misinformation. Just like the reframing of "woke" and "critical race theory" are misinformation - right? Right? I have accepted that reframing language is now a legitimate political tool, and from my PoV, the right has been doing it a lot, such as labelling any milquetoast protest by groups nominally on the left an "insurrection" after 1/6. I believe it's a deliberate attack akin to semantic satiation to render a word meaningless, the conservative operative bluntly admitted (on Twitter!) to successful rebranding "woke". That egg will not be unscrambled.
- andrew_ 4y ago
  I was raised that two wrongs don't make right. I'll continue to take the high road. I don't need to score points against anyone else.
  - sangnoir 4y ago
    > I was raised that two wrongs don't make right. You'll likely make a terrible politician[1] then, because that is a terrible approach in game theory when facing an opponent who defects consistently. I was being descriptive - not prescriptive. This is now our political reality regardless of how we feel about it: politicians hold entire hearings to get 10-second sound-bites, and political operatives focus-group effective language which tends to be pithy and evocative (which gets called "misinformation" on HN when it's the other side doing it). Talking heads get coached on which phrases to use and the meme (in the original sense) gets spread and repeated by viewers/listeners. Asking people to stop using a specific term which was selected for being catchy is a losing battle - Pandora's box was opened on what are effectively PsyOps by political parties. 1. Jimmy Carter was a terrible politician in the same vein - he gave an honest answer when asked by the press if he had lusted after any woman who's not his wife. He is a good man, but that's not good politics.
andrew_ 4y ago
For any downvoters, please review the following https://t.e2ma.net/click/sv236h/8z0tiag/wa9559 https://t.e2ma.net/click/sv236h/8z0tiag/wa9559 It does not ban nor prevent the use of the word "gay." Asserting so is pushing information that is false, hence misinformation.

kyrra 4y ago

Agreed. And if you actually want to read the bill, called "Parental Rights in Education": https://flgov.com/2022/03/28/governor-ron-desantis-signs-historic-bill-to-protect-parental-rights-in-education/ https://flgov.com/2022/03/28/governor-ron-desantis-signs-his... There was so much misframing and misinformation about the bill, continuing to use the Democrat and media made up name and language for the bill shows your slant. Just because many media organizations kept calling it, that doesn't mean anybody here should.

sangnoir 4y ago

> If not, continuing to use the misnomer is spreading misinformation. Just like the reframing of "woke" and "critical race theory" are misinformation - right? Right? I have accepted that reframing language is now a legitimate political tool, and from my PoV, the right has been doing it a lot, such as labelling any milquetoast protest by groups nominally on the left an "insurrection" after 1/6. I believe it's a deliberate attack akin to semantic satiation to render a word meaningless, the conservative operative bluntly admitted (on Twitter!) to successful rebranding "woke". That egg will not be unscrambled.

andrew_ 4y ago
I was raised that two wrongs don't make right. I'll continue to take the high road. I don't need to score points against anyone else.
- sangnoir 4y ago
  > I was raised that two wrongs don't make right. You'll likely make a terrible politician[1] then, because that is a terrible approach in game theory when facing an opponent who defects consistently. I was being descriptive - not prescriptive. This is now our political reality regardless of how we feel about it: politicians hold entire hearings to get 10-second sound-bites, and political operatives focus-group effective language which tends to be pithy and evocative (which gets called "misinformation" on HN when it's the other side doing it). Talking heads get coached on which phrases to use and the meme (in the original sense) gets spread and repeated by viewers/listeners. Asking people to stop using a specific term which was selected for being catchy is a losing battle - Pandora's box was opened on what are effectively PsyOps by political parties. 1. Jimmy Carter was a terrible politician in the same vein - he gave an honest answer when asked by the press if he had lusted after any woman who's not his wife. He is a good man, but that's not good politics.

andrew_ 4y ago

For any downvoters, please review the following https://t.e2ma.net/click/sv236h/8z0tiag/wa9559 https://t.e2ma.net/click/sv236h/8z0tiag/wa9559 It does not ban nor prevent the use of the word "gay." Asserting so is pushing information that is false, hence misinformation.