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>From "hug a chinese" to "masks don't help" one day, and "mandatory masks" the next. The fact that people keep citing this ridiculous claim is evidence of why

>From "hug a chinese" to "masks don't help" one day, and "mandatory masks" the next. The fact that people keep citing this ridiculous claim is evidence of why this "contradiction" was necessary. People are too selfish and panicky to respond rationally to "although masks are useful, we need current masks for healthcare workers, so please don't go buy any". That message is 4 times as long as the attention span of the average American. As such, it got consolidated into the much more brief (but not strictly accurate) "you don't need to wear masks" until such time as the supply chain could cope. This was a rational and intentional decision, not a contradiction.

ahmed3883 4y ago
You can't lie to people and then expect them to trust you, just because the lie was supposedly in their interest.
treis 4y ago
>That message is 4 times as long as the attention span of the average American. As such, it got consolidated into the much more brief (but not strictly accurate) "you don't need to wear masks" until such time as the supply chain could cope. Well I'm glad they're lying to my face for good reason
ajsnigrutin 4y ago
You really don't see an issue with "science" (=people representing groups of scientists on tv) lying to people? "for the greater good"? But we should still ban people who say otherwise? The first "otherwise" (nutjob conspiracy theorists telling you to wear a mask, no matter what fauci says) or the second "otherwise" (nutjob conspiracy theorists saying that masks are useless)? Which ones should we ban then? I mean... doing what a youtubeing prepper nutjob said and did, has proven to be safer for you, than following what Fauci (and other local equivalents) say... or you'd atleast have masks, disinfectant and a basement full of toiletpaper and MREs at home, while those listening to Fauci wouldn't. How can we "trust the science", when "the science" has clearly lied to us? What else is "science" lying about right now?
- OrvalWintermute 4y ago
  > I mean... doing what a youtubeing prepper nutjob said and did, has proven to be safer for you, than following what Fauci (and other local equivalents) say... or you'd atleast have masks, disinfectant and a basement full of toiletpaper and MREs at home, while those listening to Fauci wouldn't. When the pandemic happened, and I had multiple P100 masks from asbestos removal, I felt pretty comfortable. ....Until I tried to wear them in everyday life. It is even worse than being at a construction site, wearing one of those monstrosities all day
adolph 4y ago
> This was a rational and intentional decision, not a contradiction. This was a rational and intentional decision to lie, not a contradiction.
autoexec 4y ago
> People are too selfish and panicky to respond rationally to "although masks are useful, we need current masks for healthcare workers, so please don't go buy any". It was a shortsighted error that will forever cost them credibility. Not worth it. They should have just contacted the handful of major retailers that could have delivered N95 masks into the hands of most Americans and asked (or even ordered) them to pull the stock. That's it. Problem solved. All they did in the end was demonstrate that they cannot be trusted to tell the truth and that's not what you want if you're trying to manage a pandemic or any public health crisis. Outright lying because they didn't want to risk treating the American public like adults was such a massive failure I don't think they will ever recover fully from it.
Georgelemental 4y ago
Actually, the government is supposed to be of, by, and for the people. That precludes lying to the people, even if it's "definitely justified because this is a special case and reasons." https://www.palladiummag.com//2021/07/15/the-myth-of-panic/ https://www.palladiummag.com//2021/07/15/the-myth-of-panic/
HideousKojima 4y ago
"They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if health care providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!” - The U.S. Surgeon General

ahmed3883 4y ago

You can't lie to people and then expect them to trust you, just because the lie was supposedly in their interest.

treis 4y ago

>That message is 4 times as long as the attention span of the average American. As such, it got consolidated into the much more brief (but not strictly accurate) "you don't need to wear masks" until such time as the supply chain could cope. Well I'm glad they're lying to my face for good reason

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

You really don't see an issue with "science" (=people representing groups of scientists on tv) lying to people? "for the greater good"? But we should still ban people who say otherwise? The first "otherwise" (nutjob conspiracy theorists telling you to wear a mask, no matter what fauci says) or the second "otherwise" (nutjob conspiracy theorists saying that masks are useless)? Which ones should we ban then? I mean... doing what a youtubeing prepper nutjob said and did, has proven to be safer for you, than following what Fauci (and other local equivalents) say... or you'd atleast have masks, disinfectant and a basement full of toiletpaper and MREs at home, while those listening to Fauci wouldn't. How can we "trust the science", when "the science" has clearly lied to us? What else is "science" lying about right now?

OrvalWintermute 4y ago
> I mean... doing what a youtubeing prepper nutjob said and did, has proven to be safer for you, than following what Fauci (and other local equivalents) say... or you'd atleast have masks, disinfectant and a basement full of toiletpaper and MREs at home, while those listening to Fauci wouldn't. When the pandemic happened, and I had multiple P100 masks from asbestos removal, I felt pretty comfortable. ....Until I tried to wear them in everyday life. It is even worse than being at a construction site, wearing one of those monstrosities all day

adolph 4y ago

> This was a rational and intentional decision, not a contradiction. This was a rational and intentional decision to lie, not a contradiction.

autoexec 4y ago

> People are too selfish and panicky to respond rationally to "although masks are useful, we need current masks for healthcare workers, so please don't go buy any". It was a shortsighted error that will forever cost them credibility. Not worth it. They should have just contacted the handful of major retailers that could have delivered N95 masks into the hands of most Americans and asked (or even ordered) them to pull the stock. That's it. Problem solved. All they did in the end was demonstrate that they cannot be trusted to tell the truth and that's not what you want if you're trying to manage a pandemic or any public health crisis. Outright lying because they didn't want to risk treating the American public like adults was such a massive failure I don't think they will ever recover fully from it.

Georgelemental 4y ago

Actually, the government is supposed to be of, by, and for the people. That precludes lying to the people, even if it's "definitely justified because this is a special case and reasons." https://www.palladiummag.com//2021/07/15/the-myth-of-panic/ https://www.palladiummag.com//2021/07/15/the-myth-of-panic/

HideousKojima 4y ago

"They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if health care providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!” - The U.S. Surgeon General