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Reporting of microagressions infers punishment by the university for speech. There's always balancing.

fennecfoxen 4y ago
i would have you explain your sentence because it describes the concept of "reporting" as making an inference and i am no longer clear about how to interpret the words structurally i tentatively take it to mean that you did the inference, and it's punishment by the university, but i am not sure, because the mechanism by which the university affects paypal is unclear
- fennecfoxen 4y ago
  if anyone is watching I got annoyed at transient downvotes on this and i'm tired of getting annoyed at websites so i'm burning 12395 internet points and locking myself out of my account and throwing away the password
  - smegsicle 4y ago
    downvoting is a microaggression
- minitech 4y ago
  Just another person misusing “infer” when they meant “imply”.
kevingadd 4y ago
No, university policies produce punishment or non-punishment. Reporting is speech. Would you prefer that they report publicly and drag people into the court of public opinion without an investigation instead? Isn't that Cancel Culture?
- d110af5ccf 4y ago
  I doubt they were objecting to the speech itself as much as the system that had apparently been set up to facilitate it. Or in other words, you say "university policies produce punishment or non-punishment" and it seems to me it was precisely those policies that they were objecting to.
- DuskStar 4y ago
  If someone says "here's a portal where you can report wrongspeak" my general intuition is that they are then going to punish people for wrongspeak.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Pre-emptively characterizing certain sorts of communication as totalitarian without any exploration of its content or merits is one kind of rhetorical strategy.
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- bauruine 4y ago
  >Would you prefer that they report publicly and drag people into the court of public opinion without an investigation instead? Yes thats exactly what free speech is about. It's the public that decides what it thinks about it and not some secret council.
anigbrowl 4y ago
I think you mean 'implies' rather than 'infers'. I'm not a big fan of the 'microaggression' concept (which seems to be an analytical tool that's been prematurely operationalized), but it's not hard to conceive of a person in a position of academic or social authority who habitually dunks on some outgroup in such a way that its members are scared to complain openly. I picked that example because I think it's notable that FSU didn't champion the idea of anonymous dissent and push for a more transparent but maximally inclusive solution; it seems they were OK with a particular kind of speech being shut down. Paypal's lack of transparency about why they're being rejected as customers is a bad thing, but then again Paypal is notorious for unilateralism and consumer hostility, as flea-market traders on eBay have long grumbled. I might be more sympathetic if this were an org with a long and nuanced history of arguing for a general set of values like the EFF (with whom I don't agree on every topic, but whose independence and consistency are well established). However my first impression of the FSU is that it's a more partial organization than its branding suggests.

i would have you explain your sentence because it describes the concept of "reporting" as making an inference and i am no longer clear about how to interpret the words structurally i tentatively take it to mean that you did the inference, and it's punishment by the university, but i am not sure, because the mechanism by which the university affects paypal is unclear

fennecfoxen 4y ago
if anyone is watching I got annoyed at transient downvotes on this and i'm tired of getting annoyed at websites so i'm burning 12395 internet points and locking myself out of my account and throwing away the password
- smegsicle 4y ago
  downvoting is a microaggression
minitech 4y ago
Just another person misusing “infer” when they meant “imply”.

kevingadd 4y ago

No, university policies produce punishment or non-punishment. Reporting is speech. Would you prefer that they report publicly and drag people into the court of public opinion without an investigation instead? Isn't that Cancel Culture?

d110af5ccf 4y ago
I doubt they were objecting to the speech itself as much as the system that had apparently been set up to facilitate it. Or in other words, you say "university policies produce punishment or non-punishment" and it seems to me it was precisely those policies that they were objecting to.
DuskStar 4y ago
If someone says "here's a portal where you can report wrongspeak" my general intuition is that they are then going to punish people for wrongspeak.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  Pre-emptively characterizing certain sorts of communication as totalitarian without any exploration of its content or merits is one kind of rhetorical strategy.
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bauruine 4y ago
>Would you prefer that they report publicly and drag people into the court of public opinion without an investigation instead? Yes thats exactly what free speech is about. It's the public that decides what it thinks about it and not some secret council.

anigbrowl 4y ago

I think you mean 'implies' rather than 'infers'. I'm not a big fan of the 'microaggression' concept (which seems to be an analytical tool that's been prematurely operationalized), but it's not hard to conceive of a person in a position of academic or social authority who habitually dunks on some outgroup in such a way that its members are scared to complain openly. I picked that example because I think it's notable that FSU didn't champion the idea of anonymous dissent and push for a more transparent but maximally inclusive solution; it seems they were OK with a particular kind of speech being shut down. Paypal's lack of transparency about why they're being rejected as customers is a bad thing, but then again Paypal is notorious for unilateralism and consumer hostility, as flea-market traders on eBay have long grumbled. I might be more sympathetic if this were an org with a long and nuanced history of arguing for a general set of values like the EFF (with whom I don't agree on every topic, but whose independence and consistency are well established). However my first impression of the FSU is that it's a more partial organization than its branding suggests.