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I would be interested to see what would happen if they blinded professor interviews to alma mater. Because that might help determine how much of it is bias-- 10

I would be interested to see what would happen if they blinded professor interviews to alma mater. Because that might help determine how much of it is bias-- 100%? The inverse correlation would be that people who end up being professors attended those colleges. Maybe they were more likely to get in or are more interested in academia so focused applying to those colleges.

efficax 4y ago
it isn't exactly the fact that you got your phd from harvard that makes the harvard degree so valuable, it's that your thesis director is a Harvard professor and your letters of recommendation are from Harvard professors and other top schools, and the labs you worked at were lead by harvard professors etc. You could remove the fact that the applicant was themselves graduating from Harvard and all of that would still give them the repuation by association of a Harvard PhD. There are just too many additional factors that go into faculty hiring that continue to rely on reputation gained from association with prestige.
synergy20 4y ago
watched a documentary about blind-interview band players as people accused the selection committee is race-biased. after a true blind interview is done, the result is way more biased than before, so they cancelled that immediately, and replaced it with a process called 'holistic review'.
- ejb999 4y ago
  >>after a true blind interview is done, the result is way more biased than before, How is a 'true blind interview' more biased? or do you really mean, they didn't get the outcome they wanted?
  - synergy20 4y ago
    correct,they did not get what they wanted
- muglug 4y ago
  Here's an article from 2020 about the New York Philharmonic: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/arts/music/blind-auditions-orchestras-race.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/arts/music/blind-audition... Blind auditions are probably not going away anytime soon. The ugly truth about orchestral musicians is that nowadays (with the general downturn in ticket sales) it's not much a living. There are far fewer professional orchestral musicians than there were 50 years ago. Representation on a ship that's slowly sinking is not, IMO, incredibly pressing.

efficax 4y ago

it isn't exactly the fact that you got your phd from harvard that makes the harvard degree so valuable, it's that your thesis director is a Harvard professor and your letters of recommendation are from Harvard professors and other top schools, and the labs you worked at were lead by harvard professors etc. You could remove the fact that the applicant was themselves graduating from Harvard and all of that would still give them the repuation by association of a Harvard PhD. There are just too many additional factors that go into faculty hiring that continue to rely on reputation gained from association with prestige.

synergy20 4y ago

watched a documentary about blind-interview band players as people accused the selection committee is race-biased. after a true blind interview is done, the result is way more biased than before, so they cancelled that immediately, and replaced it with a process called 'holistic review'.

ejb999 4y ago
>>after a true blind interview is done, the result is way more biased than before, How is a 'true blind interview' more biased? or do you really mean, they didn't get the outcome they wanted?
- synergy20 4y ago
  correct,they did not get what they wanted
muglug 4y ago
Here's an article from 2020 about the New York Philharmonic: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/arts/music/blind-auditions-orchestras-race.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/arts/music/blind-audition... Blind auditions are probably not going away anytime soon. The ugly truth about orchestral musicians is that nowadays (with the general downturn in ticket sales) it's not much a living. There are far fewer professional orchestral musicians than there were 50 years ago. Representation on a ship that's slowly sinking is not, IMO, incredibly pressing.