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On the one hand law and order are the solution that democratic societies based on rule of law have found for fighting crime and solving conflicts. It’s quite li

by blub 4y ago

On the one hand law and order are the solution that democratic societies based on rule of law have found for fighting crime and solving conflicts. It’s quite literally the best system humanity has come up with. The alternatives are militias, mob rule, gangs or anarchy, where gay people, blacks, Russians and Uyghurs don’t fare better. On the other hand, one could also rediscover the benefits of law and order by getting hit by a bullet in one of the by now notorious Swedish gang wars.

ZeroGravitas 4y ago
"Law and order" is not a reference to having laws and order, it's a reference to this concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order Hence why the people calling for "law and order" are often calling for and doing illegal things.
- blub 4y ago
  This is a rather obscure US and possibly UK concept which I’ve barely heard of in Europe. I’d rather not assume law doesn’t mean law and order doesn’t mean order because the eternal D vs. R divide transforms normal words into a bat to smack one’s opponent over the face with.
jdmoreira 4y ago
No one is against actual law and order. I'm just against people that support law and order as policy. Like harsher punishments and more power to the police, that sort of thing. If you can't understand that after 3 comments what can I do? It's not hard to understand. It's different things. I never told you I want rape and riots, why are you distorting my words? I said people to whom "law and order" appeals to as policy are close minded people. I'm personally much more afraid of any Raggare in the Swedish country-side than I've ever been of any immigrant in Stockholm. But I'm also an immigrant in Stockholm and you are not so you will never understand. Never. Just imagine knowing that 1 every 4 males around you basically voted to see people like you gone (if not worse) and you don't even know which one of the 4 it is.

by blub 4y ago

ZeroGravitas 4y ago

"Law and order" is not a reference to having laws and order, it's a reference to this concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order Hence why the people calling for "law and order" are often calling for and doing illegal things.

blub 4y ago
This is a rather obscure US and possibly UK concept which I’ve barely heard of in Europe. I’d rather not assume law doesn’t mean law and order doesn’t mean order because the eternal D vs. R divide transforms normal words into a bat to smack one’s opponent over the face with.

jdmoreira 4y ago

No one is against actual law and order. I'm just against people that support law and order as policy. Like harsher punishments and more power to the police, that sort of thing. If you can't understand that after 3 comments what can I do? It's not hard to understand. It's different things. I never told you I want rape and riots, why are you distorting my words? I said people to whom "law and order" appeals to as policy are close minded people. I'm personally much more afraid of any Raggare in the Swedish country-side than I've ever been of any immigrant in Stockholm. But I'm also an immigrant in Stockholm and you are not so you will never understand. Never. Just imagine knowing that 1 every 4 males around you basically voted to see people like you gone (if not worse) and you don't even know which one of the 4 it is.