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> As the article mentions, one of the main topics of this election was "law and order", not "the countryside is losing". And who loves law and order more than

> As the article mentions, one of the main topics of this election was "law and order", not "the countryside is losing". And who loves law and order more than close minded people? Another big topic of the elections was the energy crisis and the price of gas… who loves their cheap gas in Sweden? Those cadillacs and heated houses are not cheap to fuel. I wonder if HN even knows most Cadillacs in the world are in middle Sweden. Swedish Hillbilly culture just blows my mind

blub 4y ago
People that don’t want to get hit by stray bullets in gang shootings probably love law and order more than close minded people. Very weird thing to say by the way, as if law and order are somehow bad and only bad people would love such things.
- jdmoreira 4y ago
  The "law" and police are regularly used as an instrument of oppression. Certainly you know gay clubs used to be raided and gay people arrested and beaten up by the police not until that long ago. In Russia today it's the police making sure no one speaks their mind. The Uyghurs in China are persecuted by Chinese law and order. Blacks in the deep south a century ago? And goes on and on and on… But yeah… historically if you have been a white straight cis man the law has maybe not have been that mean towards you since the end of feudalism. Other people though…
  - blub 4y ago
    On the one hand law and order are the solution that democratic societies based on rule of law have found for fighting crime and solving conflicts. It’s quite literally the best system humanity has come up with. The alternatives are militias, mob rule, gangs or anarchy, where gay people, blacks, Russians and Uyghurs don’t fare better. On the other hand, one could also rediscover the benefits of law and order by getting hit by a bullet in one of the by now notorious Swedish gang wars.
    - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
      "Law and order" is not a reference to having laws and order, it's a reference to this concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order Hence why the people calling for "law and order" are often calling for and doing illegal things.
      - blub 4y ago
        This is a rather obscure US and possibly UK concept which I’ve barely heard of in Europe. I’d rather not assume law doesn’t mean law and order doesn’t mean order because the eternal D vs. R divide transforms normal words into a bat to smack one’s opponent over the face with.
    - jdmoreira 4y ago
      No one is against actual law and order. I'm just against people that support law and order as policy. Like harsher punishments and more power to the police, that sort of thing. If you can't understand that after 3 comments what can I do? It's not hard to understand. It's different things. I never told you I want rape and riots, why are you distorting my words? I said people to whom "law and order" appeals to as policy are close minded people. I'm personally much more afraid of any Raggare in the Swedish country-side than I've ever been of any immigrant in Stockholm. But I'm also an immigrant in Stockholm and you are not so you will never understand. Never. Just imagine knowing that 1 every 4 males around you basically voted to see people like you gone (if not worse) and you don't even know which one of the 4 it is.
hJdjgfdhgdfhgf 4y ago
- jdmoreira 4y ago
  I didn't say if you are against crime. But who usually gets behind "law and order" as a doctrine? Close minded people. See my other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32943535 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32943535

blub 4y ago

People that don’t want to get hit by stray bullets in gang shootings probably love law and order more than close minded people. Very weird thing to say by the way, as if law and order are somehow bad and only bad people would love such things.

jdmoreira 4y ago
The "law" and police are regularly used as an instrument of oppression. Certainly you know gay clubs used to be raided and gay people arrested and beaten up by the police not until that long ago. In Russia today it's the police making sure no one speaks their mind. The Uyghurs in China are persecuted by Chinese law and order. Blacks in the deep south a century ago? And goes on and on and on… But yeah… historically if you have been a white straight cis man the law has maybe not have been that mean towards you since the end of feudalism. Other people though…
- blub 4y ago
  On the one hand law and order are the solution that democratic societies based on rule of law have found for fighting crime and solving conflicts. It’s quite literally the best system humanity has come up with. The alternatives are militias, mob rule, gangs or anarchy, where gay people, blacks, Russians and Uyghurs don’t fare better. On the other hand, one could also rediscover the benefits of law and order by getting hit by a bullet in one of the by now notorious Swedish gang wars.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    "Law and order" is not a reference to having laws and order, it's a reference to this concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order Hence why the people calling for "law and order" are often calling for and doing illegal things.
    - blub 4y ago
      This is a rather obscure US and possibly UK concept which I’ve barely heard of in Europe. I’d rather not assume law doesn’t mean law and order doesn’t mean order because the eternal D vs. R divide transforms normal words into a bat to smack one’s opponent over the face with.
  - jdmoreira 4y ago
    No one is against actual law and order. I'm just against people that support law and order as policy. Like harsher punishments and more power to the police, that sort of thing. If you can't understand that after 3 comments what can I do? It's not hard to understand. It's different things. I never told you I want rape and riots, why are you distorting my words? I said people to whom "law and order" appeals to as policy are close minded people. I'm personally much more afraid of any Raggare in the Swedish country-side than I've ever been of any immigrant in Stockholm. But I'm also an immigrant in Stockholm and you are not so you will never understand. Never. Just imagine knowing that 1 every 4 males around you basically voted to see people like you gone (if not worse) and you don't even know which one of the 4 it is.

hJdjgfdhgdfhgf 4y ago

jdmoreira 4y ago
I didn't say if you are against crime. But who usually gets behind "law and order" as a doctrine? Close minded people. See my other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32943535 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32943535