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I think people probably voted for the right-wing party more because the left-wing party has made Sweden top of Europe for rape, shootings, and a global leader i

I think people probably voted for the right-wing party more because the left-wing party has made Sweden top of Europe for rape, shootings, and a global leader in bombings, and not because they are mad that people called them racist. When it's a regular thing for criminal gangs to target children for "humiliation robberies" where they beat and urinate on the kids to humiliate them, one can understand why the citizenry of the country would have a concern about crime.

ZeroGravitas 4y ago
You know the rape thing is a lie that's intentionally spread by the far-right? https://bra.se/download/18.7d27ebd916ea64de5306c65f/1601393665407/2020_13_Reported_and_cleared_rapes_in_Europe.pdf https://bra.se/download/18.7d27ebd916ea64de5306c65f/16013936... > Brå’s overall assessment of the review is that the differences between Sweden and other European countries as regards the incidence of rape are smaller than indicated by Eurostat’s report statistics. If the legal conditions and statistical methods had been the same as in Germany, Sweden would rank somewhere in the middle of the report statistics from Eurostat. Nor does Sweden stand out in FRA’s survey when it comes to the percentage of women who have stated that they have been raped at some point. Out of the total of 27 countries included in the survey, Sweden is among the 10 where the stated prevalence is between 10 and 12 percent. In other words, there is no support for the claim that Sweden deviates significantly from other countries in north-western Europe when it comes to the incidence of rape.
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  You know you're relying on Sweden's council for crime prevention to provide an argument that Sweden's council for crime prevention is doing a good job at handling crime - right? The thing you excerpted doesn't even make sense. Let's write <country's method of rape count>-<country being evaluated> - so, S-S is Sweden's measures of Sweden's rape count, and G-S is Germany's measure of Sweden's rape count. What this article is saying is that S-S is by far the highest rape count in Europe. G-S is significantly higher than G-G. But, if you were to go through all the countries of Europe, and find E-E then G-S would be somewhere in the middle. What? What kind of a methodology is this? How would Sweden rank if you took G-E for every country in Europe? "Sure, we're a global leader in bombings. Yes, we're a regional leader in shooting murders. Yes, we're a regional leader in humiliation robberies targeting our children. And, yes, if you look at our official statistics we seem to be the regional leader in rapes as well - but this is a right-wing conspiracy because of this nonsense analysis!"
- yucky 4y ago
  "We've investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong."
eesmith 4y ago
> Sweden top of Europe for rape When that right-wing trope went around a few years ago, I learned that it was a deliberate misreading of the numbers. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden . Some of the key points are: If a women says her husband raped her every day for a month, how is that entered in the statistics? In the US until about 50 years ago there was a "marital exemption" that allowed a husband to rape his wife, so the answer would have been 0. In some jurisdictions it's counted as one rape report. In Sweden it's counted as about 30 rapes. (That was an eye-opener to mean when I learned about it.) Furthermore, Sweden's definition of "rape" is broader, and includes interactions which in many other countries would not be considered a rape. Next, Sweden tallies rapes when reported, while in some countries they are tallied when prosecuted, which lowers the effective rape rate. Additionally, rape victims are more likely to report the crime when they have respect and trust in the police, and when rape isn't treated as something to shame the victim about. This is the case in Sweden, so rape appears to be reported at a higher rate than many other countries. The Wikipedia page lists more reasons why a cross-national comparison like "rape capital" is difficult to make.
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  I see this kind of "talking point" a lot when talking about crime in Sweden. But, if you actually think about it a bit, it doesn't make any sense. For example, your point about how "If a husband rapes his wife daily for a month" counts as 30 rapes - first, which jurisdictions in Europe would consolidate 30 rapes into a single rape count? Second, do you have any reason to think that the daily rape of wives by their husbands drives the high rape count in Sweden? I'm trying to imagine what you think is going on - the wife drops in to the police station to say "Hello, for the past thirty days my husband has been raping me" and the officer says "Okay, we'll mark down a 'one rape' on our books here." It's also an obvious rhetorical trick to compare present day rapes in Sweden to archaic laws that existed in the US until ~50 years ago. Why would you do that except to obfuscate? It's also disingenuous to talk about how Sweden's rape definition is broader. Do you know that? Have you reviewed rape definitions throughout all of Europe, or are you just repeating what Sweden's crime council says? If you took Sweden's rape definition and applied to every other country, or any standard rape definition and applied it to every country, how would Sweden rank. Have you done that? Or... When I write that Sweden is a regional leader in rape, what I mean is that Sweden's numbers, Sweden's rape stats, are higher than the numbers reported by every country in Europe. That's not perfect, and I agree that "rape capital" claims are complicated to evaluate - but it is first, true, and second an objective comparison (reported figures to reported figures). What you mean when you say this is a "right-wing trope" and a "deliberate misreading" is that there might exist measures, which you haven't shared or which are highly contrived, by which Sweden's rape rate is only in the top third or so of Europe. You write that "rape victims are more likely to report the crime when they have respect and trust in the police" but this is just more misleading "Maybe this" type of stuff. Do Swedish women trust the police more than the women of other countries in Europe? Have you ever looked into that? Swedish police have extremely low clearance rates for rape - why would Swedish women have special trust in them?

ZeroGravitas 4y ago

You know the rape thing is a lie that's intentionally spread by the far-right? https://bra.se/download/18.7d27ebd916ea64de5306c65f/1601393665407/2020_13_Reported_and_cleared_rapes_in_Europe.pdf https://bra.se/download/18.7d27ebd916ea64de5306c65f/16013936... > Brå’s overall assessment of the review is that the differences between Sweden and other European countries as regards the incidence of rape are smaller than indicated by Eurostat’s report statistics. If the legal conditions and statistical methods had been the same as in Germany, Sweden would rank somewhere in the middle of the report statistics from Eurostat. Nor does Sweden stand out in FRA’s survey when it comes to the percentage of women who have stated that they have been raped at some point. Out of the total of 27 countries included in the survey, Sweden is among the 10 where the stated prevalence is between 10 and 12 percent. In other words, there is no support for the claim that Sweden deviates significantly from other countries in north-western Europe when it comes to the incidence of rape.

ALittleLight 4y ago
You know you're relying on Sweden's council for crime prevention to provide an argument that Sweden's council for crime prevention is doing a good job at handling crime - right? The thing you excerpted doesn't even make sense. Let's write <country's method of rape count>-<country being evaluated> - so, S-S is Sweden's measures of Sweden's rape count, and G-S is Germany's measure of Sweden's rape count. What this article is saying is that S-S is by far the highest rape count in Europe. G-S is significantly higher than G-G. But, if you were to go through all the countries of Europe, and find E-E then G-S would be somewhere in the middle. What? What kind of a methodology is this? How would Sweden rank if you took G-E for every country in Europe? "Sure, we're a global leader in bombings. Yes, we're a regional leader in shooting murders. Yes, we're a regional leader in humiliation robberies targeting our children. And, yes, if you look at our official statistics we seem to be the regional leader in rapes as well - but this is a right-wing conspiracy because of this nonsense analysis!"
yucky 4y ago
"We've investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong."

eesmith 4y ago

> Sweden top of Europe for rape When that right-wing trope went around a few years ago, I learned that it was a deliberate misreading of the numbers. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden . Some of the key points are: If a women says her husband raped her every day for a month, how is that entered in the statistics? In the US until about 50 years ago there was a "marital exemption" that allowed a husband to rape his wife, so the answer would have been 0. In some jurisdictions it's counted as one rape report. In Sweden it's counted as about 30 rapes. (That was an eye-opener to mean when I learned about it.) Furthermore, Sweden's definition of "rape" is broader, and includes interactions which in many other countries would not be considered a rape. Next, Sweden tallies rapes when reported, while in some countries they are tallied when prosecuted, which lowers the effective rape rate. Additionally, rape victims are more likely to report the crime when they have respect and trust in the police, and when rape isn't treated as something to shame the victim about. This is the case in Sweden, so rape appears to be reported at a higher rate than many other countries. The Wikipedia page lists more reasons why a cross-national comparison like "rape capital" is difficult to make.

ALittleLight 4y ago
I see this kind of "talking point" a lot when talking about crime in Sweden. But, if you actually think about it a bit, it doesn't make any sense. For example, your point about how "If a husband rapes his wife daily for a month" counts as 30 rapes - first, which jurisdictions in Europe would consolidate 30 rapes into a single rape count? Second, do you have any reason to think that the daily rape of wives by their husbands drives the high rape count in Sweden? I'm trying to imagine what you think is going on - the wife drops in to the police station to say "Hello, for the past thirty days my husband has been raping me" and the officer says "Okay, we'll mark down a 'one rape' on our books here." It's also an obvious rhetorical trick to compare present day rapes in Sweden to archaic laws that existed in the US until ~50 years ago. Why would you do that except to obfuscate? It's also disingenuous to talk about how Sweden's rape definition is broader. Do you know that? Have you reviewed rape definitions throughout all of Europe, or are you just repeating what Sweden's crime council says? If you took Sweden's rape definition and applied to every other country, or any standard rape definition and applied it to every country, how would Sweden rank. Have you done that? Or... When I write that Sweden is a regional leader in rape, what I mean is that Sweden's numbers, Sweden's rape stats, are higher than the numbers reported by every country in Europe. That's not perfect, and I agree that "rape capital" claims are complicated to evaluate - but it is first, true, and second an objective comparison (reported figures to reported figures). What you mean when you say this is a "right-wing trope" and a "deliberate misreading" is that there might exist measures, which you haven't shared or which are highly contrived, by which Sweden's rape rate is only in the top third or so of Europe. You write that "rape victims are more likely to report the crime when they have respect and trust in the police" but this is just more misleading "Maybe this" type of stuff. Do Swedish women trust the police more than the women of other countries in Europe? Have you ever looked into that? Swedish police have extremely low clearance rates for rape - why would Swedish women have special trust in them?