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Google is anticompetive and Dolby is. Just like in Google v. Oracle there are no true good guys here, only outcomes that are better or worse for the general pu

Google is anticompetive and Dolby is. Just like in Google v. Oracle there are no true good guys here, only outcomes that are better or worse for the general public that various corporate entities have aligned themselves to for some perceived short term benefit. Open standards are good for the general public, as are allowing re-implementations of APIs. Taking a look at Google's anticompetive use of search combined with ads would be absolutely fantastic too, but I'm not going to gate other actions on it unless there's some semblance of a chance that the connections between the two actions are anything other than theoretical.

scarface74 4y ago
So it’s open source? What happens as soon as Google abandons it and stops supporting in Android? YouTube? Do you think Apple will ever support it?
- monocasa 4y ago
  It's an open standard, so better than open source per se since you're not reliant on any particular source tree. And in those cases you've listed, you're left with strictly more options than if it's not an open standard.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    You’re not left with an “option” of an audio standard that none of your customers hardware or browsers support.
    - monocasa 4y ago
      If the open solution doesn't take off in favor of the proprietary solution, then you're in essentially the same end state as if there was no open solution in the first place.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Not after you’ve already encoded your audio to support it. From history we know that Google isn’t going to do the leg work it takes to make the standard ubiquitous.
        monocasa 4y ago
        Why would you only encode your media in a format that none of your customers have support for in the first place? Additionally, being an open standard, you can probably rely on ffmpeg supporting it. This allows you to transcode into something that your proprietary encoder will support for ingest if it comes to that.
        scarface74 4y ago
        Yes because transcoding audio couldn’t possibly lead to lesser quality.
        monocasa 4y ago
        Neither of these (HDR10+/DV, open spatial audio/Atmos) are due to compression, so yeah, kind of. They're both metadata schemes on top of other, pluggable compression schemes. So yeah, I wouldn't expect a conversion to necessarily end up with a loss of quality. This is also ignoring the first sentence: your whole supposition is based on a scenario where you as the content producer for some reason encoded in a format that your customers don't have, and don't have the masters for some reason. Which is basically absurd for anything that would need dynamic HDR or spatial audio.
    - ipaddr 4y ago
      The browsers will support this. Customer hardware from large venders will take more time or never happen if they are getting paid not to. But other hardware can take it's place.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        You think Apple will support it or even Microsoft? The large hardware vendors not supporting it is really a big deal don’t you think?
        slac 4y ago
        They both support the AOM.
        account42 4y ago
        They both also "support" Khronos - doesn't mean anything.
- izacus 4y ago
  This is a standard, not a piece of software. Nothing "happens" just like nothing "happened" to mp3 or jpeg when they stopped being actively changed.
  - nightski 4y ago
    Standards are only as open as their implementations. The fact that google isn’t really involving anyone in this and first introduced it in a closed door hush hush event makes me extremely skeptical.
    - ipaddr 4y ago
      A standard created by one body requires adoption by others before it can be a standard unless the first party owns the market. Implementations don't have to be open..
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
  - TheRealPomax 4y ago
    MP3 was not "an open standard", it was a patented technology, owned by the Fraunhofer institute and lead to hilarious lawsuits against people putting MP3 capabilities in both hardware and software without even knowing they had to pay license fees, until Fraunhofer gave up and gave MP3 to the world. And not "way back when", this is a story that didn't have a happy ending until 2017. And then only because technology had passed it by with the industry having mostly moved on to newer, better codecs.
    - worik 4y ago
      > until Fraunhofer gave up and gave MP3 to the world I thought the patent ran out.
      - TheRealPomax 4y ago

scarface74 4y ago

So it’s open source? What happens as soon as Google abandons it and stops supporting in Android? YouTube? Do you think Apple will ever support it?

monocasa 4y ago
It's an open standard, so better than open source per se since you're not reliant on any particular source tree. And in those cases you've listed, you're left with strictly more options than if it's not an open standard.
- scarface74 4y ago
  You’re not left with an “option” of an audio standard that none of your customers hardware or browsers support.
  - monocasa 4y ago
    If the open solution doesn't take off in favor of the proprietary solution, then you're in essentially the same end state as if there was no open solution in the first place.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Not after you’ve already encoded your audio to support it. From history we know that Google isn’t going to do the leg work it takes to make the standard ubiquitous.
      - monocasa 4y ago
        Why would you only encode your media in a format that none of your customers have support for in the first place? Additionally, being an open standard, you can probably rely on ffmpeg supporting it. This allows you to transcode into something that your proprietary encoder will support for ingest if it comes to that.
        scarface74 4y ago
        Yes because transcoding audio couldn’t possibly lead to lesser quality.
        monocasa 4y ago
        Neither of these (HDR10+/DV, open spatial audio/Atmos) are due to compression, so yeah, kind of. They're both metadata schemes on top of other, pluggable compression schemes. So yeah, I wouldn't expect a conversion to necessarily end up with a loss of quality. This is also ignoring the first sentence: your whole supposition is based on a scenario where you as the content producer for some reason encoded in a format that your customers don't have, and don't have the masters for some reason. Which is basically absurd for anything that would need dynamic HDR or spatial audio.
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    The browsers will support this. Customer hardware from large venders will take more time or never happen if they are getting paid not to. But other hardware can take it's place.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      You think Apple will support it or even Microsoft? The large hardware vendors not supporting it is really a big deal don’t you think?
      - slac 4y ago
        They both support the AOM.
        account42 4y ago
        They both also "support" Khronos - doesn't mean anything.
izacus 4y ago
This is a standard, not a piece of software. Nothing "happens" just like nothing "happened" to mp3 or jpeg when they stopped being actively changed.
- nightski 4y ago
  Standards are only as open as their implementations. The fact that google isn’t really involving anyone in this and first introduced it in a closed door hush hush event makes me extremely skeptical.
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    A standard created by one body requires adoption by others before it can be a standard unless the first party owns the market. Implementations don't have to be open..
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
- TheRealPomax 4y ago
  MP3 was not "an open standard", it was a patented technology, owned by the Fraunhofer institute and lead to hilarious lawsuits against people putting MP3 capabilities in both hardware and software without even knowing they had to pay license fees, until Fraunhofer gave up and gave MP3 to the world. And not "way back when", this is a story that didn't have a happy ending until 2017. And then only because technology had passed it by with the industry having mostly moved on to newer, better codecs.
  - worik 4y ago
    > until Fraunhofer gave up and gave MP3 to the world I thought the patent ran out.
    - TheRealPomax 4y ago