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>majority of the search results you linked to are from articles 20-30 years old, I'd imagine sometime around 1990-2000. One of the links from the 1st page of G

by jasode 4y ago

>majority of the search results you linked to are from articles 20-30 years old, I'd imagine sometime around 1990-2000. One of the links from the 1st page of Google results is a February 2022 article written by a woman (Nicole Gelinas). https://www.city-journal.org/surge-in-violent-crime-against-nyc-women?wallit_nosession=1 https://www.city-journal.org/surge-in-violent-crime-against-... I'm not debating it because I truly don't know but it sure seems like a lot of people (including women) did not get the memo that "females" has suddenly become an offensive word.

Kranar 4y ago
That's not a NYTimes article. Furthermore "vast majority" does not mean every single instance, it means significantly more than 50%. Google results will vary from person to person, but for me only 2 of the first 10 results are from the past 20 years, which is especially surprising since Google tends to prefer more recent results. I think 80% counts as "vast majority". Finally since I'm at work I decided to just ask 4 women colleagues and they all agreed unanimously that referring to women as female is weird. It's clinical and unusual in the same kind of way as referring to people as "human" (said in a kind of alien/robotic voice that people use to make fun of Zuckerberg).
- jasode 4y ago
  >I decided to just ask 4 women colleagues and they all agreed unanimously that referring to women as female is weird. It's clinical I actually already agree with your coworkers reactions but your survey isn't really what I was doing. In regular conversation, I don't call women "females" and don't know anybody who does. Yes, that would be clinical sounding and de-humanizing. But in writing, when we wanted the text to refer to both F-gender-age-over-18=="women" plus F-gender-age-under-18=="girls" ... the elegant short phrase that covered both was "females". It's just a form of text compression. And (some) women journalists still using "females" in 2022 means people are still using it innocuously. It's a shame that incels ruined it.
  - Kranar 4y ago
    Yes I definitely agree with that overall.
hulitu 4y ago
>"females" has suddenly become an offensive word. This is a trend lately. Black, master, slave tend to become forbidden words. The planet is revolving and evolving.

by jasode 4y ago

Kranar 4y ago

That's not a NYTimes article. Furthermore "vast majority" does not mean every single instance, it means significantly more than 50%. Google results will vary from person to person, but for me only 2 of the first 10 results are from the past 20 years, which is especially surprising since Google tends to prefer more recent results. I think 80% counts as "vast majority". Finally since I'm at work I decided to just ask 4 women colleagues and they all agreed unanimously that referring to women as female is weird. It's clinical and unusual in the same kind of way as referring to people as "human" (said in a kind of alien/robotic voice that people use to make fun of Zuckerberg).

jasode 4y ago
>I decided to just ask 4 women colleagues and they all agreed unanimously that referring to women as female is weird. It's clinical I actually already agree with your coworkers reactions but your survey isn't really what I was doing. In regular conversation, I don't call women "females" and don't know anybody who does. Yes, that would be clinical sounding and de-humanizing. But in writing, when we wanted the text to refer to both F-gender-age-over-18=="women" plus F-gender-age-under-18=="girls" ... the elegant short phrase that covered both was "females". It's just a form of text compression. And (some) women journalists still using "females" in 2022 means people are still using it innocuously. It's a shame that incels ruined it.
- Kranar 4y ago
  Yes I definitely agree with that overall.

hulitu 4y ago

>"females" has suddenly become an offensive word. This is a trend lately. Black, master, slave tend to become forbidden words. The planet is revolving and evolving.