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I 100% agree with you. Once I learned about the "Trusted News Initiative" and the cooperation between Reuters, Pfizer, major media organs, and watched how Fauci

I 100% agree with you. Once I learned about the "Trusted News Initiative" and the cooperation between Reuters, Pfizer, major media organs, and watched how Fauci previoulsy described the mRNA shots as 95%-100% effective, and later saw that number dwindle down to the low 50s, the Canadian trucker protests against absurd mandates and the shockingly draconian response from the _Canadian_ government, the despicable Australian and New Zealand policies in which citizens can not (and still can't) legally leave their country without getting mRNA shots, listening to Rachel Maddow and Joe Biden telling my poor, miserable father that "if you get the shot, you won't get sick and you won't spread it" which is probably one of the most destructive lies the ruling class perpetuated among fearful, isolated humans in my lifetime... ...I knew I could never vote for any Democratic politician ever again who supported this. I couldn't visit my aunt in the nursing home before she died of a non-covid cause. I couldn't visit my father when he was in the hospital for a heart attack, EVEN THOUGH I was masked and vaxxed. It's simply disgusting how administrative law was weaponized against the common man.

spookthesunset 4y ago
And yet here you are getting grey'd out. What humans inflicted upon each other over the last 2.5 years is absolutely disgusting. These few years have shown the worst of humanity. Society lost its collective shit and basically did the exact opposite of what it should have done every step of the way. All I take heart in is knowing your view and mine will be the the correct one. History will not look fondly upon what society did to itself. All these "experts" and politicians who supported this will be viewed as crackpots, charlatans and rain dancers.
- JoeAltmaier 4y ago
  It's the black-and-white condemnation of preventative measure as ineffective, the conflation of "it's not perfect for each person but valuable in the population" with "it's worthless and a violation of my rights" that gets the downvotes. I'd say that history will have a lot to say about everyone.
  - spookthesunset 4y ago
    Can you prove those mitigations were worth their incredible cost to society? Can you prove they were, in fact, valuable for the population? The fact we still debate the effect of these mandates means it wasn't worth it. The fact we jumped into all these crazy mandates with nary a shred of evidence they'd even work is batshit insane. And last I checked, humans have quite a few inalienable rights. We violated many of them and then mocked people who objected. Apparently not as inalienable as we thought if the masses demand it.
    - forgetfreeman 4y ago
      There are folks who will gleefully spend unlimited amounts of time arguing that the earth is flat, so the notion that because a position has merit solely because attracts individuals who will argue it is ludicrous on it's face. Incidentally, if you are convinced that there was no evidence to support social separation and masking I'm guessing you don't wear respiratory PPE as part of either your work or a hobby, don't know anyone who does, and haven't spent any time researching filtration grades and their mechanisms of efficacy. In any case there are several industries ranging from mold abatement to biopharmacology and even chipmaking that would like a word with you.
    - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
      When difficult things happen some folks will pick and whine and complain and make themselves the center of attention. And some will pitch in and help. It's clear how that went in this difficult time.
  - elenaferrantes 4y ago
    ho yeah and we saw how effective the measures were, every person I know has got Covid !
    - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
      ...which is the expected outcome and in line with all recommendations. It's this confusion I was talking about. Public health measures were to slow the spread and not overwhelm medical resources, and to give time for better measures to be developed. Which has happened. Some folks cooperated with this, and some rebelled. And some spewed hate and misinformation.

spookthesunset 4y ago

And yet here you are getting grey'd out. What humans inflicted upon each other over the last 2.5 years is absolutely disgusting. These few years have shown the worst of humanity. Society lost its collective shit and basically did the exact opposite of what it should have done every step of the way. All I take heart in is knowing your view and mine will be the the correct one. History will not look fondly upon what society did to itself. All these "experts" and politicians who supported this will be viewed as crackpots, charlatans and rain dancers.

JoeAltmaier 4y ago
It's the black-and-white condemnation of preventative measure as ineffective, the conflation of "it's not perfect for each person but valuable in the population" with "it's worthless and a violation of my rights" that gets the downvotes. I'd say that history will have a lot to say about everyone.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  Can you prove those mitigations were worth their incredible cost to society? Can you prove they were, in fact, valuable for the population? The fact we still debate the effect of these mandates means it wasn't worth it. The fact we jumped into all these crazy mandates with nary a shred of evidence they'd even work is batshit insane. And last I checked, humans have quite a few inalienable rights. We violated many of them and then mocked people who objected. Apparently not as inalienable as we thought if the masses demand it.
  - forgetfreeman 4y ago
    There are folks who will gleefully spend unlimited amounts of time arguing that the earth is flat, so the notion that because a position has merit solely because attracts individuals who will argue it is ludicrous on it's face. Incidentally, if you are convinced that there was no evidence to support social separation and masking I'm guessing you don't wear respiratory PPE as part of either your work or a hobby, don't know anyone who does, and haven't spent any time researching filtration grades and their mechanisms of efficacy. In any case there are several industries ranging from mold abatement to biopharmacology and even chipmaking that would like a word with you.
  - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
    When difficult things happen some folks will pick and whine and complain and make themselves the center of attention. And some will pitch in and help. It's clear how that went in this difficult time.
- elenaferrantes 4y ago
  ho yeah and we saw how effective the measures were, every person I know has got Covid !
  - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
    ...which is the expected outcome and in line with all recommendations. It's this confusion I was talking about. Public health measures were to slow the spread and not overwhelm medical resources, and to give time for better measures to be developed. Which has happened. Some folks cooperated with this, and some rebelled. And some spewed hate and misinformation.