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Two Bombings in One Night? That’s Normal Now in Sweden

sn0w_crash 4y ago
This sounds a lot like the sentiment in San Francisco where criticism of crime, gang violence, or general quality of life is dismissed as “racism.” This type of reality distortion field aggressively pushes people away and paints liberals in a bad light.
- missionlocal1 4y ago
  I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing explosions in SF soon. There was a small explosion on my street on September 2nd in the Mission (SF) in broad daylight. It caused damage to a building but nobody was hurt. The police deemed it an act of vandalism.
  - tmpz22 4y ago
    Interesting, I live in the SFBA and haven't heard of this. 5 minutes of Google searching turned up no results. Could you point me to a news article of this event?
    - wheelinsupial 4y ago
      Possibly they got the dates wrong? The first "mission san fran explosion september 2022" result on Google for me is: https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/mysterious-explosions-heard-across-sf-as-police-investigate-small-devices/ https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/mysterious-explosion... "The explosions were confirmed by police, who reported several buildings with broken windows at Willow Street and damage to a business’s window at Fulton Street; no injuries have been reported. Explosions were also heard in District 9, which includes the Mission, according to one Twitter user. That report has yet to be confirmed by police." "Police Captain Derrick Jackson of Northern Station confirmed there was “a small device that was set off in the area of 355 Fulton between Franklin and Gough.” “There was damage to a business plate glass window, but no civilians were injured,” said Jackson in an email to the Hayes Valley Safe community group." "A San Francisco police spokesperson told The Standard that on Saturday at approximately 3:50 p.m., police officers assigned to Tenderloin Station responded to Willow Street and Polk Street to a report of a possible explosion. “When officers arrived on scene, they found that several building windows on Willow Street were broken and a parked vehicle was damaged,” the spokesperson said in an email."
      - tmpz22 4y ago
        Thank you, its in the Tenderloin not the Mission but it definitely tracks. I actually lived on Polk and O'Farrell a few years back, it wasn't uncommon for glass to get broken and many (all?) of the businesses had gating over their windows to try to discourage it. I do wonder if it was a firework versus an IED, personally an IED would be more concerning.
    - missionlocal1 4y ago
      It didn’t make the news and I failed to find the police report. The restaurant where the explosion happened is Shizen, you can call them to verify.
incomingpain 4y ago
>Sweden, which has a population of around 10 million, has the highest per-capita number of deadly shootings of 22 European countries. Forty-seven people have been shot dead so far this year, which, while far from American levels of gun homicide, is extreme for Europe. The author missed this shot on this one. :) Primary amount of gun crime is suicide in the usa. When you exclude these sideline issues, comparing gun suicides to bombings is silly. Sweden and the usa are quite similar for gun homicide. Moreover, they are for exactly the same reason. >Among shooting suspects, 85 percent are first- or second-generation immigrants, according to the newspaper Dagens Nyheter, as immigrant neighborhoods have become hotbeds for gang crime. Sweden is a noob when it comes to immigration. Canada is pro-tier. USA isn't doing so good despite lots of experience. More importantly, Turkey accepted far greater numbers of immigrants from the arab spring and doesn't have the problems Sweden/germany and north america has. why is very important and culture is not the answer. Canada is bottom tier compared to Turkey when it comes to immigration. They had multiple crusades through their country. >So how did Sweden’s famously liberal electorate usher in a party with roots on the extreme right? In a word: denial. Totally disagree. Denial is what the left wing is experiencing. The right-wing has absolutely no denial. Sweden tried to do the right thing, give people in shitty war torn middle east a new life. It blew up in their face because they totally don't understand. Worse yet, the anti-immigration folks also don't understand. So the problem is about to exacerbate. If you think it's bad now... >Many immigrants have integrated well into Swedish society, but too many have ended up in segregated suburbs, where unemployment is high and crime is rampant. To illustrate from history the problem. The city of detroit had this problem. Mass migration of poor black people from the south resulted in exactly the same thing. Bill Clinton many decades later failed to fix the inner city ghettos. To say in 1966 that many black people have integrated well into detroit society is about the equivalent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot >Sweden is one of the most generous welfare states in the world: Although these neighborhoods are marked by high unemployment, there is no American-level material deprivation. #theproblem >Yet police are struggling to maintain control of some 60 immigrant-majority neighborhoods—officially labeled “vulnerable areas”—where gangs and clans compete with the state for local authority. Funny how nobody uses the word ghetto anymore. The swedish people have intentionally pushed these immigrants into ghettos. >In the meantime, those elites dismissed any criticism of large-scale immigration as “racism.” For almost a decade now, everyone is a racist. This is a political ploy to silence political opponents. Every single death from a bomb or otherwise is on these people's karma. The beauty of this absolutely idiotic political ploy the left-wing has been pushing is that it comes at a cost to themselves. Your political opponents love when you punch yourself in the face. They'll sit back and watch you keep punching yourself in the face. Greta came up a couple times in the article and she's a great example of political activists punching themselves in the face. Greta's political opponents gladly showcased her every opportunity they can because she was nonstop punching herself in the face. I don't need a crystal ball to know Sweden will do absolutely nothing to resolve the problem. So in a few decades and an awful lot more deaths of mostly immigrants will we see the fix arrive.
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
- zackees 4y ago
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  I think people probably voted for the right-wing party more because the left-wing party has made Sweden top of Europe for rape, shootings, and a global leader in bombings, and not because they are mad that people called them racist. When it's a regular thing for criminal gangs to target children for "humiliation robberies" where they beat and urinate on the kids to humiliate them, one can understand why the citizenry of the country would have a concern about crime.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    You know the rape thing is a lie that's intentionally spread by the far-right? https://bra.se/download/18.7d27ebd916ea64de5306c65f/1601393665407/2020_13_Reported_and_cleared_rapes_in_Europe.pdf https://bra.se/download/18.7d27ebd916ea64de5306c65f/16013936... > Brå’s overall assessment of the review is that the differences between Sweden and other European countries as regards the incidence of rape are smaller than indicated by Eurostat’s report statistics. If the legal conditions and statistical methods had been the same as in Germany, Sweden would rank somewhere in the middle of the report statistics from Eurostat. Nor does Sweden stand out in FRA’s survey when it comes to the percentage of women who have stated that they have been raped at some point. Out of the total of 27 countries included in the survey, Sweden is among the 10 where the stated prevalence is between 10 and 12 percent. In other words, there is no support for the claim that Sweden deviates significantly from other countries in north-western Europe when it comes to the incidence of rape.
    - ALittleLight 4y ago
      You know you're relying on Sweden's council for crime prevention to provide an argument that Sweden's council for crime prevention is doing a good job at handling crime - right? The thing you excerpted doesn't even make sense. Let's write <country's method of rape count>-<country being evaluated> - so, S-S is Sweden's measures of Sweden's rape count, and G-S is Germany's measure of Sweden's rape count. What this article is saying is that S-S is by far the highest rape count in Europe. G-S is significantly higher than G-G. But, if you were to go through all the countries of Europe, and find E-E then G-S would be somewhere in the middle. What? What kind of a methodology is this? How would Sweden rank if you took G-E for every country in Europe? "Sure, we're a global leader in bombings. Yes, we're a regional leader in shooting murders. Yes, we're a regional leader in humiliation robberies targeting our children. And, yes, if you look at our official statistics we seem to be the regional leader in rapes as well - but this is a right-wing conspiracy because of this nonsense analysis!"
jdmoreira 4y ago
Very weird that the bombings and violence happen in the cities yet the vast majority of SD voters live deep in the countryside or in much smaller towns. Something is fishy… maybe the real issue is that people in the country-side everywhere in the world (US, France, Portugal, Sweden, etc…) feel like they are losing and have been losing for a few decades now.
- yucky 4y ago
  Are they wrong?
  - jdmoreira 4y ago
    No they are not. They should blame many things for that. Globalization, Government policies towards the inner regions and to some extent even themselves. I grew up in the interior and it was awful in part because the people made it awful.
- inglor_cz 4y ago
  "yet the vast majority of SD voters live deep in the countryside" Is that true? AFAIK SD vote mostly concentrates around and in Malmö, an urban agglomeration. "feel like they are losing and have been losing for a few decades now." As the article mentions, one of the main topics of this election was "law and order", not "the countryside is losing".
  - jdmoreira 4y ago
    So you would consider the whole region of Skäne and Blekinge a Mälmo suburb? I spent many hours looking at the results maps last monday and to me it was obvious the percentages were much higher in countryside. Didn't look far up north to be honest but most of the population lives in the south anyway.
  - jdmoreira 4y ago
    > As the article mentions, one of the main topics of this election was "law and order", not "the countryside is losing". And who loves law and order more than close minded people? Another big topic of the elections was the energy crisis and the price of gas… who loves their cheap gas in Sweden? Those cadillacs and heated houses are not cheap to fuel. I wonder if HN even knows most Cadillacs in the world are in middle Sweden. Swedish Hillbilly culture just blows my mind
nonameking2026 4y ago
" while far from American levels of gun homicide, is extreme for Europe " I can't recall the exact number, but it went something like "remove top 10 dangerous cities from violent crime statistics in the USA, it pretty much becomes like a standard European country".
- theossuary 4y ago
  That meme has been throughly debunked for years[1]. With comments like this, havkernews reaply seems to be falling to the lowest common denominator. [1]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-third-murders-outlier-cities/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-imag...
  - lurquer 4y ago
    How has it been debunked? The only substantive thing your politifact link points out is that the US is not the #1 for murders. The poster never asserted this. As far as the effect of eliminating the top ten cities? Your link doesn’t address it.
    - iudqnolq 4y ago
      The idea that cities are more violent than less populated areas of the USA is a fascinating myth. One factor is that cities release their crimes stats earlier in the year. So newspapers write articles about those stats, and then when the rural stats come out later the topic of crime stats is exhausted. Another factor is that most reporters live in cities and reporters tend prioritize their surroundings. One (imperfect) way to look at it is by looking at per capita homicides by county. Here's California: https://www.countyhealthrankings.org/app/california/2022/measure/factors/15/data?sort=desc-2 https://www.countyhealthrankings.org/app/california/2022/mea... The counties with the highest murder rate in CA are Trinity, Kern, Lake, Del Norte, and San Joaquin. They're about twice as murderous as Alameda (Oakland). A confounding factor is that smaller counties have a larger margin of error, but the overall trend is still clear. Another confounding factor is that this is by county and not city, but if cities were much worse than their surroundings they'd dominate the per capita metric.
cutierust 4y ago
twoxproblematic 4y ago
imartin2k 4y ago
In the light of the situation, the craziest thing about contemporary Sweden (and a pet-peve of mine to lament about) is that people's addresses (and a lot more private information such as who else is living in their apartment, as well as where exactly it is located in a building) are available to anybody through dedicated search engines. The only way to be excluded is if you are already having a significant threat against you (i.e. your current life is already "destroyed" , you likely had to move elsewhere etc), or if you are working in a few delicate professions. One would think that people in Sweden would see a connection between the several weekly cases of shootings against apartments and detonations in buildings, and the accessibility of the information mentioned above. But no. There isn't even a debate. It's something I absolutely cannot understand. Historically, transparency and openness has been crucial elements of Swedish culture and societal structure. However, it's a luxury which the country, in the light of today's situation, simply cannot afford to have to the extend it had historically. But no one seems to actually see this. It's drives me kinda nuts.

This sounds a lot like the sentiment in San Francisco where criticism of crime, gang violence, or general quality of life is dismissed as “racism.” This type of reality distortion field aggressively pushes people away and paints liberals in a bad light.

missionlocal1 4y ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing explosions in SF soon. There was a small explosion on my street on September 2nd in the Mission (SF) in broad daylight. It caused damage to a building but nobody was hurt. The police deemed it an act of vandalism.
- tmpz22 4y ago
  Interesting, I live in the SFBA and haven't heard of this. 5 minutes of Google searching turned up no results. Could you point me to a news article of this event?
  - wheelinsupial 4y ago
    Possibly they got the dates wrong? The first "mission san fran explosion september 2022" result on Google for me is: https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/mysterious-explosions-heard-across-sf-as-police-investigate-small-devices/ https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/mysterious-explosion... "The explosions were confirmed by police, who reported several buildings with broken windows at Willow Street and damage to a business’s window at Fulton Street; no injuries have been reported. Explosions were also heard in District 9, which includes the Mission, according to one Twitter user. That report has yet to be confirmed by police." "Police Captain Derrick Jackson of Northern Station confirmed there was “a small device that was set off in the area of 355 Fulton between Franklin and Gough.” “There was damage to a business plate glass window, but no civilians were injured,” said Jackson in an email to the Hayes Valley Safe community group." "A San Francisco police spokesperson told The Standard that on Saturday at approximately 3:50 p.m., police officers assigned to Tenderloin Station responded to Willow Street and Polk Street to a report of a possible explosion. “When officers arrived on scene, they found that several building windows on Willow Street were broken and a parked vehicle was damaged,” the spokesperson said in an email."
    - tmpz22 4y ago
      Thank you, its in the Tenderloin not the Mission but it definitely tracks. I actually lived on Polk and O'Farrell a few years back, it wasn't uncommon for glass to get broken and many (all?) of the businesses had gating over their windows to try to discourage it. I do wonder if it was a firework versus an IED, personally an IED would be more concerning.
  - missionlocal1 4y ago
    It didn’t make the news and I failed to find the police report. The restaurant where the explosion happened is Shizen, you can call them to verify.

incomingpain 4y ago

>Sweden, which has a population of around 10 million, has the highest per-capita number of deadly shootings of 22 European countries. Forty-seven people have been shot dead so far this year, which, while far from American levels of gun homicide, is extreme for Europe. The author missed this shot on this one. :) Primary amount of gun crime is suicide in the usa. When you exclude these sideline issues, comparing gun suicides to bombings is silly. Sweden and the usa are quite similar for gun homicide. Moreover, they are for exactly the same reason. >Among shooting suspects, 85 percent are first- or second-generation immigrants, according to the newspaper Dagens Nyheter, as immigrant neighborhoods have become hotbeds for gang crime. Sweden is a noob when it comes to immigration. Canada is pro-tier. USA isn't doing so good despite lots of experience. More importantly, Turkey accepted far greater numbers of immigrants from the arab spring and doesn't have the problems Sweden/germany and north america has. why is very important and culture is not the answer. Canada is bottom tier compared to Turkey when it comes to immigration. They had multiple crusades through their country. >So how did Sweden’s famously liberal electorate usher in a party with roots on the extreme right? In a word: denial. Totally disagree. Denial is what the left wing is experiencing. The right-wing has absolutely no denial. Sweden tried to do the right thing, give people in shitty war torn middle east a new life. It blew up in their face because they totally don't understand. Worse yet, the anti-immigration folks also don't understand. So the problem is about to exacerbate. If you think it's bad now... >Many immigrants have integrated well into Swedish society, but too many have ended up in segregated suburbs, where unemployment is high and crime is rampant. To illustrate from history the problem. The city of detroit had this problem. Mass migration of poor black people from the south resulted in exactly the same thing. Bill Clinton many decades later failed to fix the inner city ghettos. To say in 1966 that many black people have integrated well into detroit society is about the equivalent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot >Sweden is one of the most generous welfare states in the world: Although these neighborhoods are marked by high unemployment, there is no American-level material deprivation. #theproblem >Yet police are struggling to maintain control of some 60 immigrant-majority neighborhoods—officially labeled “vulnerable areas”—where gangs and clans compete with the state for local authority. Funny how nobody uses the word ghetto anymore. The swedish people have intentionally pushed these immigrants into ghettos. >In the meantime, those elites dismissed any criticism of large-scale immigration as “racism.” For almost a decade now, everyone is a racist. This is a political ploy to silence political opponents. Every single death from a bomb or otherwise is on these people's karma. The beauty of this absolutely idiotic political ploy the left-wing has been pushing is that it comes at a cost to themselves. Your political opponents love when you punch yourself in the face. They'll sit back and watch you keep punching yourself in the face. Greta came up a couple times in the article and she's a great example of political activists punching themselves in the face. Greta's political opponents gladly showcased her every opportunity they can because she was nonstop punching herself in the face. I don't need a crystal ball to know Sweden will do absolutely nothing to resolve the problem. So in a few decades and an awful lot more deaths of mostly immigrants will we see the fix arrive.

ZeroGravitas 4y ago

zackees 4y ago
ALittleLight 4y ago
I think people probably voted for the right-wing party more because the left-wing party has made Sweden top of Europe for rape, shootings, and a global leader in bombings, and not because they are mad that people called them racist. When it's a regular thing for criminal gangs to target children for "humiliation robberies" where they beat and urinate on the kids to humiliate them, one can understand why the citizenry of the country would have a concern about crime.
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  You know the rape thing is a lie that's intentionally spread by the far-right? https://bra.se/download/18.7d27ebd916ea64de5306c65f/1601393665407/2020_13_Reported_and_cleared_rapes_in_Europe.pdf https://bra.se/download/18.7d27ebd916ea64de5306c65f/16013936... > Brå’s overall assessment of the review is that the differences between Sweden and other European countries as regards the incidence of rape are smaller than indicated by Eurostat’s report statistics. If the legal conditions and statistical methods had been the same as in Germany, Sweden would rank somewhere in the middle of the report statistics from Eurostat. Nor does Sweden stand out in FRA’s survey when it comes to the percentage of women who have stated that they have been raped at some point. Out of the total of 27 countries included in the survey, Sweden is among the 10 where the stated prevalence is between 10 and 12 percent. In other words, there is no support for the claim that Sweden deviates significantly from other countries in north-western Europe when it comes to the incidence of rape.
  - ALittleLight 4y ago
    You know you're relying on Sweden's council for crime prevention to provide an argument that Sweden's council for crime prevention is doing a good job at handling crime - right? The thing you excerpted doesn't even make sense. Let's write <country's method of rape count>-<country being evaluated> - so, S-S is Sweden's measures of Sweden's rape count, and G-S is Germany's measure of Sweden's rape count. What this article is saying is that S-S is by far the highest rape count in Europe. G-S is significantly higher than G-G. But, if you were to go through all the countries of Europe, and find E-E then G-S would be somewhere in the middle. What? What kind of a methodology is this? How would Sweden rank if you took G-E for every country in Europe? "Sure, we're a global leader in bombings. Yes, we're a regional leader in shooting murders. Yes, we're a regional leader in humiliation robberies targeting our children. And, yes, if you look at our official statistics we seem to be the regional leader in rapes as well - but this is a right-wing conspiracy because of this nonsense analysis!"

jdmoreira 4y ago

Very weird that the bombings and violence happen in the cities yet the vast majority of SD voters live deep in the countryside or in much smaller towns. Something is fishy… maybe the real issue is that people in the country-side everywhere in the world (US, France, Portugal, Sweden, etc…) feel like they are losing and have been losing for a few decades now.

yucky 4y ago
Are they wrong?
- jdmoreira 4y ago
  No they are not. They should blame many things for that. Globalization, Government policies towards the inner regions and to some extent even themselves. I grew up in the interior and it was awful in part because the people made it awful.
inglor_cz 4y ago
"yet the vast majority of SD voters live deep in the countryside" Is that true? AFAIK SD vote mostly concentrates around and in Malmö, an urban agglomeration. "feel like they are losing and have been losing for a few decades now." As the article mentions, one of the main topics of this election was "law and order", not "the countryside is losing".
- jdmoreira 4y ago
  So you would consider the whole region of Skäne and Blekinge a Mälmo suburb? I spent many hours looking at the results maps last monday and to me it was obvious the percentages were much higher in countryside. Didn't look far up north to be honest but most of the population lives in the south anyway.
- jdmoreira 4y ago
  > As the article mentions, one of the main topics of this election was "law and order", not "the countryside is losing". And who loves law and order more than close minded people? Another big topic of the elections was the energy crisis and the price of gas… who loves their cheap gas in Sweden? Those cadillacs and heated houses are not cheap to fuel. I wonder if HN even knows most Cadillacs in the world are in middle Sweden. Swedish Hillbilly culture just blows my mind

nonameking2026 4y ago

" while far from American levels of gun homicide, is extreme for Europe " I can't recall the exact number, but it went something like "remove top 10 dangerous cities from violent crime statistics in the USA, it pretty much becomes like a standard European country".

theossuary 4y ago
That meme has been throughly debunked for years[1]. With comments like this, havkernews reaply seems to be falling to the lowest common denominator. [1]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-image/united-states-third-murders-outlier-cities/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/28/viral-imag...
- lurquer 4y ago
  How has it been debunked? The only substantive thing your politifact link points out is that the US is not the #1 for murders. The poster never asserted this. As far as the effect of eliminating the top ten cities? Your link doesn’t address it.
  - iudqnolq 4y ago
    The idea that cities are more violent than less populated areas of the USA is a fascinating myth. One factor is that cities release their crimes stats earlier in the year. So newspapers write articles about those stats, and then when the rural stats come out later the topic of crime stats is exhausted. Another factor is that most reporters live in cities and reporters tend prioritize their surroundings. One (imperfect) way to look at it is by looking at per capita homicides by county. Here's California: https://www.countyhealthrankings.org/app/california/2022/measure/factors/15/data?sort=desc-2 https://www.countyhealthrankings.org/app/california/2022/mea... The counties with the highest murder rate in CA are Trinity, Kern, Lake, Del Norte, and San Joaquin. They're about twice as murderous as Alameda (Oakland). A confounding factor is that smaller counties have a larger margin of error, but the overall trend is still clear. Another confounding factor is that this is by county and not city, but if cities were much worse than their surroundings they'd dominate the per capita metric.

cutierust 4y ago

twoxproblematic 4y ago

imartin2k 4y ago

In the light of the situation, the craziest thing about contemporary Sweden (and a pet-peve of mine to lament about) is that people's addresses (and a lot more private information such as who else is living in their apartment, as well as where exactly it is located in a building) are available to anybody through dedicated search engines. The only way to be excluded is if you are already having a significant threat against you (i.e. your current life is already "destroyed" , you likely had to move elsewhere etc), or if you are working in a few delicate professions. One would think that people in Sweden would see a connection between the several weekly cases of shootings against apartments and detonations in buildings, and the accessibility of the information mentioned above. But no. There isn't even a debate. It's something I absolutely cannot understand. Historically, transparency and openness has been crucial elements of Swedish culture and societal structure. However, it's a luxury which the country, in the light of today's situation, simply cannot afford to have to the extend it had historically. But no one seems to actually see this. It's drives me kinda nuts.