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> showed me exactly how shit like the holocaust went down Gina Carano was fired from Star Wars for making that same comparison - not even denying COVID, just s

> showed me exactly how shit like the holocaust went down Gina Carano was fired from Star Wars for making that same comparison - not even denying COVID, just saying, "the holocaust happened because people turned against their neighbors".

puffoflogic 4y ago
Thereby demonstrating, unfortunately, that everyone who said the education about the Holocaust could help make it never happen again was completely self-deluded. Apparently we can just keep repeating history anyways.
- epicureanideal 4y ago
  We only teach holocaust history at a very surface level. Not enough to prevent similar things happening again. Not even close.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    Yeah, America only has three of four years of mandatory Holocaust education right now, not nearly enough. We need 3 or 4 times as much at least. Why don't we have a mandatory Holocaust class every day of the week from 1st to 12th grade? We just don't take this issue seriously enough. A few hours of lecture about the Cambodian genocide should be sufficient though. We need to focus more on the Holocaust specifically; that's the important genocide and the rest can safely be treated as footnotes in history. /s
    - nights192 4y ago
      I don't think that epicureanideal was asserting that the Holocaust and the Nazi party in general was overlooked--merely that its coverage is perfunctory, glancing at immediate cause and effect rather than the deeper patterns behind it. I, too, am leary of over-emphasizing German atrocities surrounding WII--heinous though they may have been, there is no paucity of savagery in world history; however, I feel as though your reply is, frankly, a very bad faith reading of what bombcar posted. He appears to be surmising that we're becoming very impulsive in quashing whatever thought appears to impede our immediate policy goals--not that it is the Holocaust in and of itself that is special. (He even goes through the effort of explicitly highlighting it as entirely feasible for a populace to fall to!)
      - OrvalWintermute 4y ago
        > I don't think that epicureanideal was asserting that the Holocaust and the Nazi party in general was overlooked--merely that its coverage is perfunctory, glancing at immediate cause and effect rather than the deeper patterns behind it. I have watched many films on the holocaust, and they were quite sad, and tragic. However, I did not truly understand some of the why until I happened across the German Revolution of 1918–1919 [1] ; organizations, and elites, that played significant roles in the Revolution were the very same that were proscribed with the rise of the Nazis. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%931919 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%8...
  - Georgelemental 4y ago
    No, actually human nature is just a constant, no amount of education is going to improve it by the tiniest bit.
iepathos 4y ago
She also mocked mask wearing among other unsavory political tweets. Being a public figure in a Disney production does require some restraint on your public commentary. Disney does not like negative publicity from their actors and actresses.
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  Unless you're James Gunn?
raydev 4y ago
She was fired for comparing conservatives to the Jews in Hitler's Germany, which is, at best, absurd.
- annad2021 4y ago
  Absurd it was; but firing for an absurd comment is, well, part of how people are conditioned to invite things like the holocaust to happen
  - lovich 4y ago
    You're right everyone should be forced to continue to do business with people openly stating that they believe in a value system you disagree with. Any sort of action in response to someone's beliefs beyond a firm "tut tut" is directly on the path to events like the holocaust
    - FartsDomino 4y ago
      Wait, are you trying to get fired now? Because that is an absurd escalation. It's almost like you know firing someone for saying something silly is wrong, and so you have to pretend it's a complete civilisational crisis to abstract away from that.
- flipcoder 4y ago
  You act like the other side doesn't compare everything to Hitler and the Nazis constantly though lol
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  Much more absurd were the news outlets and blue checkmarks calling her comments "anti-Semitic."

puffoflogic 4y ago

Thereby demonstrating, unfortunately, that everyone who said the education about the Holocaust could help make it never happen again was completely self-deluded. Apparently we can just keep repeating history anyways.

epicureanideal 4y ago
We only teach holocaust history at a very surface level. Not enough to prevent similar things happening again. Not even close.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Yeah, America only has three of four years of mandatory Holocaust education right now, not nearly enough. We need 3 or 4 times as much at least. Why don't we have a mandatory Holocaust class every day of the week from 1st to 12th grade? We just don't take this issue seriously enough. A few hours of lecture about the Cambodian genocide should be sufficient though. We need to focus more on the Holocaust specifically; that's the important genocide and the rest can safely be treated as footnotes in history. /s
  - nights192 4y ago
    I don't think that epicureanideal was asserting that the Holocaust and the Nazi party in general was overlooked--merely that its coverage is perfunctory, glancing at immediate cause and effect rather than the deeper patterns behind it. I, too, am leary of over-emphasizing German atrocities surrounding WII--heinous though they may have been, there is no paucity of savagery in world history; however, I feel as though your reply is, frankly, a very bad faith reading of what bombcar posted. He appears to be surmising that we're becoming very impulsive in quashing whatever thought appears to impede our immediate policy goals--not that it is the Holocaust in and of itself that is special. (He even goes through the effort of explicitly highlighting it as entirely feasible for a populace to fall to!)
    - OrvalWintermute 4y ago
      > I don't think that epicureanideal was asserting that the Holocaust and the Nazi party in general was overlooked--merely that its coverage is perfunctory, glancing at immediate cause and effect rather than the deeper patterns behind it. I have watched many films on the holocaust, and they were quite sad, and tragic. However, I did not truly understand some of the why until I happened across the German Revolution of 1918–1919 [1] ; organizations, and elites, that played significant roles in the Revolution were the very same that were proscribed with the rise of the Nazis. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%931919 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%8...
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  No, actually human nature is just a constant, no amount of education is going to improve it by the tiniest bit.

iepathos 4y ago

She also mocked mask wearing among other unsavory political tweets. Being a public figure in a Disney production does require some restraint on your public commentary. Disney does not like negative publicity from their actors and actresses.

HideousKojima 4y ago
Unless you're James Gunn?

raydev 4y ago

She was fired for comparing conservatives to the Jews in Hitler's Germany, which is, at best, absurd.

annad2021 4y ago
Absurd it was; but firing for an absurd comment is, well, part of how people are conditioned to invite things like the holocaust to happen
- lovich 4y ago
  You're right everyone should be forced to continue to do business with people openly stating that they believe in a value system you disagree with. Any sort of action in response to someone's beliefs beyond a firm "tut tut" is directly on the path to events like the holocaust
  - FartsDomino 4y ago
    Wait, are you trying to get fired now? Because that is an absurd escalation. It's almost like you know firing someone for saying something silly is wrong, and so you have to pretend it's a complete civilisational crisis to abstract away from that.
flipcoder 4y ago
You act like the other side doesn't compare everything to Hitler and the Nazis constantly though lol
HideousKojima 4y ago
Much more absurd were the news outlets and blue checkmarks calling her comments "anti-Semitic."