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I found dang's response[1] to the question "Is fact checking that difficult?" to be insightful: > It's extremely difficult because the human psyche seems incap
by musicale 4y ago
I found dang's response[1] to the question "Is fact checking that difficult?" to be insightful:
> It's extremely difficult because the human psyche seems incapable of distinguishing "fact" from "that which supports my view", at least when the emotions are activated, and the only topics where people seek "fact checking" in the first place are the ones where emotions are activated. There may be exceptions—i.e. people whose minds don't work this way—but if they exist, they're so rare as to be no basis for social policy. (And I doubt that there are really exceptions.)
> That's why there doesn't seem to be any fact checker whose calls aren't predictable from one of the major ideological partitions.
> Another way of putting this is that the question, "what are the facts?" is complex enough to already recreate the entire political and ideological contest. It's understandable that people would like to reduce that contest to a simpler subset of factual questions—but you can't. Just the opposite: that apparently simpler subset reduces to it.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29597867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29597867
- bombcar 4y agoThe only "fact checkers" I have found to be useful are domain experts who get a burr up their ass and go incredibly deep-dive on whatever it is. And whatever they come up with usually pisses everyone off relatively equally, for some reason.
- forgetfreeman 4y agoI'd like to take a stab at this. Barring certain pitiable neurodivergent conditions, folks consider themselves to be intelligent and highly moral creatures. The primary goal of ideological shit-flinging contests appears to be revealing one's opponent as an amoral imbecile, as a means of both propping up one's own self-image, and virtue signaling to larger audiences. When a true authority joins the chat and nukes everyone's Dunning-Kruger fueled reductionist positions with a comprehensive and highly nuanced grasp of the topic at hand, all of the amateurs at the table are presented with details that undermine their simplistic take on the issue in question. This undermines their own credibility, introduces massive cognitive dissonance, and disrupts their ability to continue to paint their chosen adversaries as dangerous incompetents based solely on the merits of their arguemts. In other words everyone is wrong, and they hate it because ego.
- commandlinefan 4y agodang may be the only fact checker in the world I would trust to actually check facts.
- fakethenews2022 4y agoDang blocked a link to a paper on myocarditis induced on teens by the vaccines. That is now not disputed. I don’t trust dang for anything. Fuck you dang and block this.
- OrvalWintermute 4y ago> Dang blocked a link to a paper on myocarditis induced on teens by the vaccines. I know many people have a good opinion of Dang, but this seems to be editing, rather than moderating. Can you provide some more data about what happened, the paper in question, and if it was from a reputable source in a peer-reviewed journal, or preprint? I'd like to know more about this. I've long talked about the myocarditis and pericarditis risks which are most pronounced with young males and young females based on the known cases, and the nordic countries withdrawal of the vaccines for young males. Strangely, even the Novavax vaccine also appears to have that adverse event, allegedly at a vastly reduced rate though [1]. [1] https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/what-doctors-wish-patients-knew-about-novavax-covid-19-vaccine https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/what-...
- fakethenews2022 4y agoThis wasn't editing. It was censorship. I linked to a Youtube video by a doctor. Included in the video's description was a link to the paper. Dang claims that users flagged it and linked to the FAQ. There is nothing in the link that would violate the FAQ. I cussed him out in another comment and he blocked that too. My link to the paper itself was downvoted too. https://youtu.be/nBaIRm4610o https://youtu.be/nBaIRm4610o https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/74/11/1933/6353927 https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/74/11/1933/6353927 Now myocarditis is accepted and found on the CDC site on the mRNA vaccines. Hacker News is shit. I have used it far less since that time.
- coding123 4y agoThis can't be more true. I see a new section in Google news now for "fact checks". I am guessing it's never had a post on the hunter laptop. It's not "fact checking section" it's a "daily left affirmation section".
- hotpotamus 4y agoWhat questions do you have about the hunter laptop?
- HideousKojima 4y agoWere news articles claiming that it was a fabrication by Russian intelligence themselves fabrications?
- lovich 4y agoIs it the one powered by this tool? https://toolbox.google.com/factcheck/explorer/search/hunter%20biden%20laptop;hl=en https://toolbox.google.com/factcheck/explorer/search/hunter%...
- hotpotamus 4y agoThat seems like the long way around of saying there is no such thing as objective truth, which I'm also beginning to suspect is correct.