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> and gives the US giants a free pass otherwise. Probably because I work in tech in the US, but that has not been my view. What was the fine that the EU put o

by timmg 4y ago

> and gives the US giants a free pass otherwise. Probably because I work in tech in the US, but that has not been my view. What was the fine that the EU put on VW for intentionally cheating on emissions standards? And how does that compare with the many fines Google has gotten?

tmoravec 4y ago
IIRC it was mainly about cheating in the US, no? The US definitely gave VW huge fines. And jail time for an executive. Not that it's relevant to Google...
DoughnutHole 4y ago
Volkswagen has definitely been fined less than Google - they were fined about a billion. The difference is though that the EU wasn't really prepared for the Volkswagen fraud - there was no standing law setting enormous fines for companies engaged in an emissions fraud of that scale like there is for GDPR violations. Since the scandal they brought in legislation to prevent it in the future, including fines of up to €30,000 per car sold violating the emissions guidelines. EU regulator powers operate with an honestly fairly limited scope based on the laws passed by parliament and the commission. There's no EPA like organisation with broad powers to persue companies for most forms of misbehaviour like there is in the US - that's left to the member states, with countries like Germany and Italy individually prosecuting Volkswagen executives for fraud. The difference with GDPR and anti-trust violations is that the EU has been deliberately granted the power to exact severe fines on companies for each individual offence. If post-scandal Volkswagen had been caught falsifying emissions again and again (similiar to Google's repeated GDPR violations) they might have been hit with more and more fines of the severity that Google has.
- timmg 4y ago
  Couldn't they have prosecuted VW on the basis of "competition"? Like VW had an unfair advantage over other (non-EU) car companies because they didn't meet the standards. The reality is that they didn't want to hurt VW that much because it is an important EU company. Same reason the US fined the crap out of them -- but would have been lenient on Ford in the same circumstances. This is normal stuff. I was just responding to the idea that the EU was "too soft" on US tech companies.
- Narishma 4y ago
  Unless I'm missing something, this fine has nothing to do with the GDPR but with Google's anti-competitive behavior.

by timmg 4y ago

tmoravec 4y ago

IIRC it was mainly about cheating in the US, no? The US definitely gave VW huge fines. And jail time for an executive. Not that it's relevant to Google...

DoughnutHole 4y ago

Volkswagen has definitely been fined less than Google - they were fined about a billion. The difference is though that the EU wasn't really prepared for the Volkswagen fraud - there was no standing law setting enormous fines for companies engaged in an emissions fraud of that scale like there is for GDPR violations. Since the scandal they brought in legislation to prevent it in the future, including fines of up to €30,000 per car sold violating the emissions guidelines. EU regulator powers operate with an honestly fairly limited scope based on the laws passed by parliament and the commission. There's no EPA like organisation with broad powers to persue companies for most forms of misbehaviour like there is in the US - that's left to the member states, with countries like Germany and Italy individually prosecuting Volkswagen executives for fraud. The difference with GDPR and anti-trust violations is that the EU has been deliberately granted the power to exact severe fines on companies for each individual offence. If post-scandal Volkswagen had been caught falsifying emissions again and again (similiar to Google's repeated GDPR violations) they might have been hit with more and more fines of the severity that Google has.

timmg 4y ago
Couldn't they have prosecuted VW on the basis of "competition"? Like VW had an unfair advantage over other (non-EU) car companies because they didn't meet the standards. The reality is that they didn't want to hurt VW that much because it is an important EU company. Same reason the US fined the crap out of them -- but would have been lenient on Ford in the same circumstances. This is normal stuff. I was just responding to the idea that the EU was "too soft" on US tech companies.
Narishma 4y ago
Unless I'm missing something, this fine has nothing to do with the GDPR but with Google's anti-competitive behavior.