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there is no way to delete safari from iphones

layer8 4y ago
That’s Apple’s choice as the manufacturer of the device, while Google enforces conditions on Android device manufacturers. Apple would have the same problem if they would allow other companies to build iOS devices but force Safari to be the preinstalled as the default browser AND derive ad income from the use of Safari.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
  Microsoft chose to have desktop browser integration as the manufacturer of Windows. That didn't protect them from fines.
  - layer8 4y ago
    That’s not the same situation, Microsoft didn’t manufacture the PCs.
hellisothers 4y ago
I know it’s a nuance but Apple doesn’t license its OS to other manufacturers. So while Google dictates “if you use the Android OS you must bundle Chrome”, Apple isn’t dictating terms like that to another manufacturer.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  Technically Google isn’t really making anyone use Play Store, either. They’re free to use AOSP and bundle their own set of apps, no? In fact, I’d argue these rules the EU enforces are counter productive. Manufacturers should fork android and band together and create their own App Store. Google will either cede their position or we’ll have a viable, growing third ecosystem.
  - the_duke 4y ago
    The Digital Markets Act and Digital Services Act will change a lot of things for both Apple and Google.
  - mhermher 4y ago
    This is what the entire ruling is about. They are not free to do so if they also sell with Google Play Services. It's the root of the entire issue is that the above requirement is in the agreements that Google has with manufacturers. The EU is striking down this type of agreement such that manufacturers will actually have that freedom.
makeitdouble 4y ago
Apple's lawsuits are different https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22996248/apple-sideloading-apps-store-third-party-eu-dma-requirement https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22996248/apple-sideloadin...
mhermher 4y ago
This news is about Android.
mqus 4y ago
I would think the same and can only assume that apple is not as much of a monopoly as google/android in the EU. I think Vestager &co also wanted to have a solid case (as evidenced in the appeal losses right now) and the apple one was more difficult to establish? I don't know.

That’s Apple’s choice as the manufacturer of the device, while Google enforces conditions on Android device manufacturers. Apple would have the same problem if they would allow other companies to build iOS devices but force Safari to be the preinstalled as the default browser AND derive ad income from the use of Safari.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
Microsoft chose to have desktop browser integration as the manufacturer of Windows. That didn't protect them from fines.
- layer8 4y ago
  That’s not the same situation, Microsoft didn’t manufacture the PCs.

hellisothers 4y ago

I know it’s a nuance but Apple doesn’t license its OS to other manufacturers. So while Google dictates “if you use the Android OS you must bundle Chrome”, Apple isn’t dictating terms like that to another manufacturer.

endisneigh 4y ago
Technically Google isn’t really making anyone use Play Store, either. They’re free to use AOSP and bundle their own set of apps, no? In fact, I’d argue these rules the EU enforces are counter productive. Manufacturers should fork android and band together and create their own App Store. Google will either cede their position or we’ll have a viable, growing third ecosystem.
- the_duke 4y ago
  The Digital Markets Act and Digital Services Act will change a lot of things for both Apple and Google.
- mhermher 4y ago
  This is what the entire ruling is about. They are not free to do so if they also sell with Google Play Services. It's the root of the entire issue is that the above requirement is in the agreements that Google has with manufacturers. The EU is striking down this type of agreement such that manufacturers will actually have that freedom.

makeitdouble 4y ago

Apple's lawsuits are different https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22996248/apple-sideloading-apps-store-third-party-eu-dma-requirement https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22996248/apple-sideloadin...

mhermher 4y ago

This news is about Android.

mqus 4y ago

I would think the same and can only assume that apple is not as much of a monopoly as google/android in the EU. I think Vestager &co also wanted to have a solid case (as evidenced in the appeal losses right now) and the apple one was more difficult to establish? I don't know.