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why is it called Jakarta?

playingalong 4y ago
I certainly wasn't in that room, but... Because it's a big city on island of Java?
matt_heimer 4y ago
Java is an island and Jakarta is a capital city on that island. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java
- robobro 4y ago
  as an aside, Jakarta is not especially tourist-friendly... outside of malls... you're better off going to Jogjakarta if you come to Indonesia as a tourist :D
latchkey 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_Project#Project_name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_Project#Project_name The longer story is that myself and a couple of guys from Italy (Stefano and Pier) took over Apache JServ, which was the only open source servlet engine at the time. We started to make some significant improvements and created Apache Java as an umbrella project. Apache made us some of the first non-httpd members. We eventually got noticed by James Davidson at Sun, who was working on the servlet API and the reference implementation of that. Eventually, we decided to merge our efforts. Sun didn't like us using the Java (tm) name, so we picked the name of the conference room that we had the discussions in. That turned into renaming everything Apache Jakarta. It also involved giving us their reference implementation, which we named Apache Tomcat. The build system for Tomcat (because nothing good existed at the time) ended up turning into Apache Ant. After insane amounts of work, we grew quite a bit as an organization. One day, I saw Doug Cutting working on the Lucene project and invited him under the Jakarta umbrella. That led to things like Hadoop and that whole ecosystem. Edit: To clarify the JServ stuff. I had a web development company at the time. I wanted to work in Java and all the servlet stuff at the time was commercial products that were not very good. I found JServ, which one guy had built as a college/parttime project and then abandoned it, full of bugs and not finished. So, I picked it up and started to work on fixes and then Stefano/Pier somehow found me. At the time, Apache didn't even have a way to host this stuff, so I ran it under my own (working-dogs.com) domain for about a year or so. Eventually, through his work at Apache, Brian Behlendorf figured out there was a business in hosting code... so he started CollabNet. I quit my company and went to work with him and a bunch of other Apache folks. That's where subversion was created and Github eventually won that competition.
- amir734jj 4y ago
  Wow. Such a story. Thank you so much for sharing.
- chrisjc 4y ago
  Wow, what an incredible story! Especially the Tomcat and Ant part. I was neck deep into this stack (although OC4J and JBoss, not Jakarta) at the time, and was totally oblivious to what was happening behind the scenes.
  - latchkey 4y ago
    It's funny because I thought Marc Fleury was a jerk. I was also a jerk at the time. We didn't get along at all. He also ended up making about $500m+ on our hard work when he sold to RHAT. Not to say that he didn't work hard, but if it wasn't for Tomcat and our work to popularize Servlets, JBoss might not have ever existed or been as successful. Many many years later, he and I ended up as very good friends and he's still a lot more wealthy than I am or probably will ever be. I simply ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ off his far greater wealth to my own karma of being a jerk at the time. I also stopped being a jerk. =) A good lesson there for sure.
    - chrisjc 4y ago
      Marc Fleury, that's a name I haven't heard of in a long time but brings back a lot of memories of JBoss and all. Sounds like you have a lot of positive energy despite the history. I'm sure that speaks volumes of you character. Thanks for all that you did on these projects! While not Fluery rich myself, your work certainly enriched my own life.
      - latchkey 4y ago
        It enriched quite a lot of people, including myself. It was really great to see a whole industry revolve around our very early efforts. Very few people know about those early days and what really happened.
    - sfjailbird 4y ago
valbaca 4y ago
Jakarta, the city, is the largest city on the island of Java. They needed to pick "some" name and went with the "Java island" naming option, rather than some "Java coffee" or other naming scheme. Wikipedia: The Eclipse Foundation could not agree with Oracle over the use of javax and Java trademarks.[5] Oracle owns the trademark for the name "Java" and the platform was renamed from Java EE to Jakarta EE.[6][7] The name refers to the largest city on the island of Java and also the capital of Indonesia, Jakarta.[8] The name should not be confused with the former Jakarta Project which fostered a number of current and former Java projects at the Apache Software Foundation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_EE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_EE

I certainly wasn't in that room, but... Because it's a big city on island of Java?

Java is an island and Jakarta is a capital city on that island. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java

robobro 4y ago
as an aside, Jakarta is not especially tourist-friendly... outside of malls... you're better off going to Jogjakarta if you come to Indonesia as a tourist :D

latchkey 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_Project#Project_name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_Project#Project_name The longer story is that myself and a couple of guys from Italy (Stefano and Pier) took over Apache JServ, which was the only open source servlet engine at the time. We started to make some significant improvements and created Apache Java as an umbrella project. Apache made us some of the first non-httpd members. We eventually got noticed by James Davidson at Sun, who was working on the servlet API and the reference implementation of that. Eventually, we decided to merge our efforts. Sun didn't like us using the Java (tm) name, so we picked the name of the conference room that we had the discussions in. That turned into renaming everything Apache Jakarta. It also involved giving us their reference implementation, which we named Apache Tomcat. The build system for Tomcat (because nothing good existed at the time) ended up turning into Apache Ant. After insane amounts of work, we grew quite a bit as an organization. One day, I saw Doug Cutting working on the Lucene project and invited him under the Jakarta umbrella. That led to things like Hadoop and that whole ecosystem. Edit: To clarify the JServ stuff. I had a web development company at the time. I wanted to work in Java and all the servlet stuff at the time was commercial products that were not very good. I found JServ, which one guy had built as a college/parttime project and then abandoned it, full of bugs and not finished. So, I picked it up and started to work on fixes and then Stefano/Pier somehow found me. At the time, Apache didn't even have a way to host this stuff, so I ran it under my own (working-dogs.com) domain for about a year or so. Eventually, through his work at Apache, Brian Behlendorf figured out there was a business in hosting code... so he started CollabNet. I quit my company and went to work with him and a bunch of other Apache folks. That's where subversion was created and Github eventually won that competition.

amir734jj 4y ago
Wow. Such a story. Thank you so much for sharing.
chrisjc 4y ago
Wow, what an incredible story! Especially the Tomcat and Ant part. I was neck deep into this stack (although OC4J and JBoss, not Jakarta) at the time, and was totally oblivious to what was happening behind the scenes.
- latchkey 4y ago
  It's funny because I thought Marc Fleury was a jerk. I was also a jerk at the time. We didn't get along at all. He also ended up making about $500m+ on our hard work when he sold to RHAT. Not to say that he didn't work hard, but if it wasn't for Tomcat and our work to popularize Servlets, JBoss might not have ever existed or been as successful. Many many years later, he and I ended up as very good friends and he's still a lot more wealthy than I am or probably will ever be. I simply ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ off his far greater wealth to my own karma of being a jerk at the time. I also stopped being a jerk. =) A good lesson there for sure.
  - chrisjc 4y ago
    Marc Fleury, that's a name I haven't heard of in a long time but brings back a lot of memories of JBoss and all. Sounds like you have a lot of positive energy despite the history. I'm sure that speaks volumes of you character. Thanks for all that you did on these projects! While not Fluery rich myself, your work certainly enriched my own life.
    - latchkey 4y ago
      It enriched quite a lot of people, including myself. It was really great to see a whole industry revolve around our very early efforts. Very few people know about those early days and what really happened.
  - sfjailbird 4y ago

valbaca 4y ago

Jakarta, the city, is the largest city on the island of Java. They needed to pick "some" name and went with the "Java island" naming option, rather than some "Java coffee" or other naming scheme. Wikipedia: The Eclipse Foundation could not agree with Oracle over the use of javax and Java trademarks.[5] Oracle owns the trademark for the name "Java" and the platform was renamed from Java EE to Jakarta EE.[6][7] The name refers to the largest city on the island of Java and also the capital of Indonesia, Jakarta.[8] The name should not be confused with the former Jakarta Project which fostered a number of current and former Java projects at the Apache Software Foundation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_EE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_EE