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If I'm reading this right, there would be more censorship _in the algorithmic feed_ (no one will get Alex Jones recommended) but the chronological feed will hav

If I'm reading this right, there would be more censorship _in the algorithmic feed_ (no one will get Alex Jones recommended) but the chronological feed will have less censorship (Alex Jones will still be on the platform and you can follow him if that's your cup of tea)

themitigating 4y ago
So he his posts wouldn't be displayed, censored, to users who don't subscribe/follow to him.
- BeefWellington 4y ago
  No, what I'm proposing is that once you create an account you see nothing until you start following people via the "exploration" or whatever, then your default view is essentially "you see what you followed/subscribed to". No banning Alex Jones (unless he does one of the bannable things). Advertisers are free to say they don't want to do business with his channels, etc. Some are free to say they do. You start exploring and see his stuff but don't want to? Block it / say "I don't wanna see this" and it should prevent his videos showing up on your feeds (and maybe reactions to it?). Those controls must work, not like the current versions.[1] I'm also suggesting that the idea of highlighting these tailored content views in this way as a default should count as editorializing, and should then open them to punishment for that content the way a newspaper publishing an editorial is. It won't fully solve the problem of "engagement-chasing" that currently has taken hold of social media (and really the Internet) but I don't see a better way. At the end of the day engagement = impressions = advertiser $ and I don't see a way to change that formula so there's less But IMO this makes the speech freer, the platforms more open (and gives them an out with advertisers "hey, we're required by law to do it this way"), and puts the users in the driver's seat when it comes to what they see. [1]: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/research/library/user-controls/report/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/research/library/user-cont...
  - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
    > No banning Alex Jones (unless he does one of the bannable things). Alex Jones aside. There is the intentional ambiguity. The TOS, Terms Of Service, at these companies are left loose and manipulated to the companies benefit all the time. They can ban you saying, you broke the terms of service, and that’s all you have no recourse they do not need to define what role you broke, end of story.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
I wish we could eliminate algorithmic feeds altogether.

themitigating 4y ago

So he his posts wouldn't be displayed, censored, to users who don't subscribe/follow to him.

BeefWellington 4y ago
No, what I'm proposing is that once you create an account you see nothing until you start following people via the "exploration" or whatever, then your default view is essentially "you see what you followed/subscribed to". No banning Alex Jones (unless he does one of the bannable things). Advertisers are free to say they don't want to do business with his channels, etc. Some are free to say they do. You start exploring and see his stuff but don't want to? Block it / say "I don't wanna see this" and it should prevent his videos showing up on your feeds (and maybe reactions to it?). Those controls must work, not like the current versions.[1] I'm also suggesting that the idea of highlighting these tailored content views in this way as a default should count as editorializing, and should then open them to punishment for that content the way a newspaper publishing an editorial is. It won't fully solve the problem of "engagement-chasing" that currently has taken hold of social media (and really the Internet) but I don't see a better way. At the end of the day engagement = impressions = advertiser $ and I don't see a way to change that formula so there's less But IMO this makes the speech freer, the platforms more open (and gives them an out with advertisers "hey, we're required by law to do it this way"), and puts the users in the driver's seat when it comes to what they see. [1]: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/research/library/user-controls/report/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/research/library/user-cont...
- SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
  > No banning Alex Jones (unless he does one of the bannable things). Alex Jones aside. There is the intentional ambiguity. The TOS, Terms Of Service, at these companies are left loose and manipulated to the companies benefit all the time. They can ban you saying, you broke the terms of service, and that’s all you have no recourse they do not need to define what role you broke, end of story.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

I wish we could eliminate algorithmic feeds altogether.