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I haven’t tried sending push notifications to iOS over web yet but this should be possible since iOS 16 [1] because they introduced “web push”. According to App

I haven’t tried sending push notifications to iOS over web yet but this should be possible since iOS 16 [1] because they introduced “web push”. According to Apple, it works cross-browser, even if the browser was killed by the user, and you are not required to have an Apple developer account. [1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/sending_web_push_notifications_in_safari_and_other_browsers https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/...

joshstrange 4y ago
That feature isn't coming out till 2023 in a later iOS 16 release. We will see if that moves the needle but like I said in a comment below [0], even when push notifications aren't part of the conversation companies still just wants apps. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32939559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32939559
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  So stop developing for such a crappy closed platform?!?
  - ben_w 4y ago
    Interviewer at Generic iOS Contractor Co.: “OK, we’ll hire someone else.” *Interviewee exits, pursued by a door* Interviewer: “HR? Yes, please make a note not to offer that candidate any other roles, thanks. Yeah, for some reason they seemed to think their personal preferences were more important than solving our customer needs. Would be a terrible fit.”
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      Please note candidate didn't like Nazis and we want people loyal to the company above all personal morals.
      - ben_w 4y ago
        Christ on a bike, I was being facetious, but if you tried that argument in a job interview as a reason why the job on offer was inherently wrong I would call security so someone could watch you at all times while making sure you left. Places which make me feel the way that you’re describing, I don’t even reply to the recruiter.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  Isn't it distressing that it took Apple over a decade to realize Steve Job's vision of simple apps on the web? I wonder what's taking them so long...
  - joshstrange 4y ago
    I mean even Jobs turned around pretty quickly on the idea of PWA. I doubt even he championed it after iOS 2+. I'm still not sure if the PWA push was the plan and they changed to the app store or if it was always something to tide people over. I believe the reporting has said they honestly thought PWAs would be good enough and then reversed course but it didn't take them long before they just went all-in on apps. All that said I'm not really a "the web should be able to do everything apps can do"-guy, I think the constant permission requests would be incredibly tiring while browsing the web. Though maybe you, as a user, would need to first "promote" or "whitelist" a url before it could even ask. Idk, just sounds like hell.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      The problem is that Apple isn't investing in a platform for everyone. As such, they're liable to get their ass whooped by antitrust suits time immemorial until they either - 1. Make the web a suitable platform for application delivery - or - 2. Allow third-party alternatives to the App Store Apple doesn't like it. No shit, their shareholders would throw a riot if they abandoned their 80-billion/year cash cow. Unfortunately, that exploitation is a very real consequence of first-party vendor abuse that we shouldn't have allowed to happen in the first place. Microsoft tried making the web into their "App Store" a few decades ago, and they were rightfully sued into oblivion and beaten with rolled-up newspapers. We should have done the same thing to Apple before they became so self-entitled. If you don't want to use the web for apps, then don't. I'm sure Apple would be happy for you to spend that money on the App Store instead, where they can happily take their cut. But consumers need the option. That's just not up for debate. Apple will kick and scream and make it as ugly as possible, but that's purely because they're facing technologies that threaten their business model as they know it. How long can they continue to do this before the dam bursts?
  - 4y ago

joshstrange 4y ago

That feature isn't coming out till 2023 in a later iOS 16 release. We will see if that moves the needle but like I said in a comment below [0], even when push notifications aren't part of the conversation companies still just wants apps. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32939559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32939559

encryptluks2 4y ago
So stop developing for such a crappy closed platform?!?
- ben_w 4y ago
  Interviewer at Generic iOS Contractor Co.: “OK, we’ll hire someone else.” *Interviewee exits, pursued by a door* Interviewer: “HR? Yes, please make a note not to offer that candidate any other roles, thanks. Yeah, for some reason they seemed to think their personal preferences were more important than solving our customer needs. Would be a terrible fit.”
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    Please note candidate didn't like Nazis and we want people loyal to the company above all personal morals.
    - ben_w 4y ago
      Christ on a bike, I was being facetious, but if you tried that argument in a job interview as a reason why the job on offer was inherently wrong I would call security so someone could watch you at all times while making sure you left. Places which make me feel the way that you’re describing, I don’t even reply to the recruiter.
smoldesu 4y ago
Isn't it distressing that it took Apple over a decade to realize Steve Job's vision of simple apps on the web? I wonder what's taking them so long...
- joshstrange 4y ago
  I mean even Jobs turned around pretty quickly on the idea of PWA. I doubt even he championed it after iOS 2+. I'm still not sure if the PWA push was the plan and they changed to the app store or if it was always something to tide people over. I believe the reporting has said they honestly thought PWAs would be good enough and then reversed course but it didn't take them long before they just went all-in on apps. All that said I'm not really a "the web should be able to do everything apps can do"-guy, I think the constant permission requests would be incredibly tiring while browsing the web. Though maybe you, as a user, would need to first "promote" or "whitelist" a url before it could even ask. Idk, just sounds like hell.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    The problem is that Apple isn't investing in a platform for everyone. As such, they're liable to get their ass whooped by antitrust suits time immemorial until they either - 1. Make the web a suitable platform for application delivery - or - 2. Allow third-party alternatives to the App Store Apple doesn't like it. No shit, their shareholders would throw a riot if they abandoned their 80-billion/year cash cow. Unfortunately, that exploitation is a very real consequence of first-party vendor abuse that we shouldn't have allowed to happen in the first place. Microsoft tried making the web into their "App Store" a few decades ago, and they were rightfully sued into oblivion and beaten with rolled-up newspapers. We should have done the same thing to Apple before they became so self-entitled. If you don't want to use the web for apps, then don't. I'm sure Apple would be happy for you to spend that money on the App Store instead, where they can happily take their cut. But consumers need the option. That's just not up for debate. Apple will kick and scream and make it as ugly as possible, but that's purely because they're facing technologies that threaten their business model as they know it. How long can they continue to do this before the dam bursts?
- 4y ago