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FTA: "And if you think that XCode, Python, Processing, or the shit soup of HTML/Javascript/CSS are any kind of substitute for HyperCard, then read this post aga

by Yhippa 15y ago

FTA: "And if you think that XCode, Python, Processing, or the shit soup of HTML/Javascript/CSS are any kind of substitute for HyperCard, then read this post again." I always hope in the back of my mind that someday there will be a way to create a web interface as easily as you could in Hypercard. I miss it so much.

asciilifeform 15y ago
No such luck. The Web architecture inherently sucks: http://philip.greenspun.com/research/internet-haters http://philip.greenspun.com/research/internet-haters
- groby_b 15y ago
  Take that article with a large grain of salt. Much of it has been proven wrong by now. ("HTML is where the Web starts and probably where it will end.")
  - irrumator 15y ago
    Take anything from loper-os with a massive grain of salt, he is a long-term troll who has been writing these sorts of wistful but ultimately empty posts for several years now. Calling everything and everyone stupid and bloated and yearning for the good old days is his thing. I only mention this because some HN readers might not be fully aware of his history.
    - asciilifeform 15y ago
      The distinction between a "troll" and an actual human with unpopular opinions is lost on you? You aren't the only one: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91 http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91
    - eropple 15y ago
      I don't think loper-os is a troll. I think there are some fundamental social deficiencies at play (the profoundly arrogant and strange README in his SVN trunk is a must-see), but I believe he genuinely means what he says.
- drivingmenuts 15y ago
  The sad part is that it that it hasn't fundamentally changed. Sure, there are layers upon layers of redundant redundancies to smooth out issues, but they haven't really been fixed.
- InclinedPlane 15y ago
  http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html
eschutte2 15y ago
Along these lines, have you seen http://springbase.com http://springbase.com?
wavetossed 15y ago
Waterbear is something that is headed in that direction. http://waterbearlang.com/ http://waterbearlang.com/

by Yhippa 15y ago

asciilifeform 15y ago

No such luck. The Web architecture inherently sucks: http://philip.greenspun.com/research/internet-haters http://philip.greenspun.com/research/internet-haters

groby_b 15y ago
Take that article with a large grain of salt. Much of it has been proven wrong by now. ("HTML is where the Web starts and probably where it will end.")
- irrumator 15y ago
  Take anything from loper-os with a massive grain of salt, he is a long-term troll who has been writing these sorts of wistful but ultimately empty posts for several years now. Calling everything and everyone stupid and bloated and yearning for the good old days is his thing. I only mention this because some HN readers might not be fully aware of his history.
  - asciilifeform 15y ago
    The distinction between a "troll" and an actual human with unpopular opinions is lost on you? You aren't the only one: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91 http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91
  - eropple 15y ago
    I don't think loper-os is a troll. I think there are some fundamental social deficiencies at play (the profoundly arrogant and strange README in his SVN trunk is a must-see), but I believe he genuinely means what he says.
drivingmenuts 15y ago
The sad part is that it that it hasn't fundamentally changed. Sure, there are layers upon layers of redundant redundancies to smooth out issues, but they haven't really been fixed.
InclinedPlane 15y ago
http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html

eschutte2 15y ago

Along these lines, have you seen http://springbase.com http://springbase.com?

wavetossed 15y ago

Waterbear is something that is headed in that direction. http://waterbearlang.com/ http://waterbearlang.com/