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> locked-down Most non ARM devices can be fully unlocked to run bare metal linux. Just https://mrchromebox.tech/ https://mrchromebox.tech/ > I don't want to

by throwaway2056 4y ago

> locked-down Most non ARM devices can be fully unlocked to run bare metal linux. Just https://mrchromebox.tech/ https://mrchromebox.tech/ > I don't want to be too negative You are. Though there are certain privacy issues that may be warranted, you seems to make remarks without base. > Google adware/tracking-ware, locking people into the Google ecosystem One will always get locked to some ecosystem. Some friends use Facebook as photo storage as REAL-WORLD-USERS do not want to run NAS, RAID, off-site backup. Others having $$$ have iCloud. People that know difference between SAS and SATA run rack-servers. A simple browser based OS can help run 4GB devices. May be you are comfortable in 4K screen, with dwm tiling wm but others want $200 ChromeOS for just shopping, netflix etc. Oh yes, many people do not have time to download and watch ISO - and get locked into some ecosystem. > Framework could be spending their time doing much better thin Lets be honest, Framework knows what is IMPORTANT for themselves than you. This is a good thing. Every bit helps.

kelnos 4y ago
> Most non ARM devices can be fully unlocked to run bare metal linux. Just https://mrchromebox.tech/ https://mrchromebox.tech/ The fact that you can unlock it and run regular Linux isn't really the point. Selling a laptop that is pre-loaded with ChromeOS means that it's intended that buyers actually run ChromeOS on it, and I expect most that buy it, will (otherwise they would just get the regular or DIY version). Framework simply endorsing ChromeOS in this fashion is enough of a problem. > Though there are certain privacy issues that may be warranted, you seems to make remarks without base. I don't think that's the case, and nothing you've written here seems to contradict what I've said. > One will always get locked to some ecosystem. Some friends use Facebook as photo storage as REAL-WORLD-USERS do not want to run NAS, RAID, off-site backup. Others having $$$ have iCloud. That doesn't have to be the state of the world, though. I think all of that is not great, and the solution isn't just to throw up our hands and endorse closed-ecosystem environments. There are other, less-extreme options in between "I live inside Facebook" and "I run a home server and NAS and host my own social network at home". Unfortunately many of them still aren't quite user-friendly -- though some are -- and the Facebooks of the world wield far too much market power. > Lets be honest, Framework knows what is IMPORTANT for themselves than you. You seem to be unreasonably angry over what I said. Maybe cool off a bit? I even acknowledged that there might be good reasons for Framework's business to offer ChromeOS as a product, but you seem to have intentionally ignored that bit.

kelnos 4y ago

> Most non ARM devices can be fully unlocked to run bare metal linux. Just https://mrchromebox.tech/ https://mrchromebox.tech/ The fact that you can unlock it and run regular Linux isn't really the point. Selling a laptop that is pre-loaded with ChromeOS means that it's intended that buyers actually run ChromeOS on it, and I expect most that buy it, will (otherwise they would just get the regular or DIY version). Framework simply endorsing ChromeOS in this fashion is enough of a problem. > Though there are certain privacy issues that may be warranted, you seems to make remarks without base. I don't think that's the case, and nothing you've written here seems to contradict what I've said. > One will always get locked to some ecosystem. Some friends use Facebook as photo storage as REAL-WORLD-USERS do not want to run NAS, RAID, off-site backup. Others having $$$ have iCloud. That doesn't have to be the state of the world, though. I think all of that is not great, and the solution isn't just to throw up our hands and endorse closed-ecosystem environments. There are other, less-extreme options in between "I live inside Facebook" and "I run a home server and NAS and host my own social network at home". Unfortunately many of them still aren't quite user-friendly -- though some are -- and the Facebooks of the world wield far too much market power. > Lets be honest, Framework knows what is IMPORTANT for themselves than you. You seem to be unreasonably angry over what I said. Maybe cool off a bit? I even acknowledged that there might be good reasons for Framework's business to offer ChromeOS as a product, but you seem to have intentionally ignored that bit.