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>I think we'll continue to pollute at a rate far too great for the planet to handle, and we're going to have to get very good at remediation to continue living

>I think we'll continue to pollute at a rate far too great for the planet to handle, and we're going to have to get very good at remediation to continue living here. The planet will do fine, but even stating such a thing is still commit anthropomorphism. The planet will continue to exist for a long time, no matter what the fate of mankind will be. Even life is most likely to continue prospering in a way or in an other. We, the human species, are not the planet. Let’s stop to use formulation like "the planet is in danger". No it’s not. The biosphere already went through five major extinction, and life is still there.

rebuilder 4y ago
When people worry about nuclear war, do you also console them that the cockroaches will likely live on?
larsnystrom 4y ago
You're absolutely right, the planet is in no danger. It's us humans that are in danger. We are polluting at a rate far too great for us humans to handle, and if we want to survive as a species we must do something about that.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  Even that is gross hyperbole. Humans as species could survive even the most disastrous predictions, rendering entire continents uninhabited. The top level post is correct. It is a matter of minimizing suffering.
  - ehnto 4y ago
    Which will have to be through remediation... I never said the world was coming to an end. I said we aren't likely to stop polluting, so we should get really good at remediating what we will have wrought.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      Sure, it would be a good idea to do something. I'm just calling out "if we want to survive as a species we must do something about that“ as hyperbolic. This is a point made in thread you are responding in
ehnto 4y ago
The rocks will be ecstatic to hear this news. Humans aren't the only species evolved to live in this particular climate, and we won't be the only species impacted by an extreme outcome of climate change. Long term, of course, the planet will survive, and hopefully many species will thrive in our absence. But many will go extinct, and it will have been our fault. On a long enough time scale, sure, nothing matters really, the sun will explode and all our flyer campagins will have been for nothing. But we experience a much smaller timescale, and it'd be great if we gave some thought to not boiling the reefs and setting fire to the koalas while we're here.

rebuilder 4y ago

When people worry about nuclear war, do you also console them that the cockroaches will likely live on?

larsnystrom 4y ago

You're absolutely right, the planet is in no danger. It's us humans that are in danger. We are polluting at a rate far too great for us humans to handle, and if we want to survive as a species we must do something about that.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
Even that is gross hyperbole. Humans as species could survive even the most disastrous predictions, rendering entire continents uninhabited. The top level post is correct. It is a matter of minimizing suffering.
- ehnto 4y ago
  Which will have to be through remediation... I never said the world was coming to an end. I said we aren't likely to stop polluting, so we should get really good at remediating what we will have wrought.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    Sure, it would be a good idea to do something. I'm just calling out "if we want to survive as a species we must do something about that“ as hyperbolic. This is a point made in thread you are responding in

ehnto 4y ago

The rocks will be ecstatic to hear this news. Humans aren't the only species evolved to live in this particular climate, and we won't be the only species impacted by an extreme outcome of climate change. Long term, of course, the planet will survive, and hopefully many species will thrive in our absence. But many will go extinct, and it will have been our fault. On a long enough time scale, sure, nothing matters really, the sun will explode and all our flyer campagins will have been for nothing. But we experience a much smaller timescale, and it'd be great if we gave some thought to not boiling the reefs and setting fire to the koalas while we're here.