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It usually goes without saying, but it's up to each man to exert his own will toward a spiritual value higher than that of mere vermin. Here we find one who lac

It usually goes without saying, but it's up to each man to exert his own will toward a spiritual value higher than that of mere vermin. Here we find one who lacks the strength to do even this.

marcodiego 4y ago
> Here we find one who lacks the strength to do even this. Picturing me as someone who "lacks the strength" "to exert his own will toward a spiritual value higher than that of mere vermin" is offensive. Ok, I don't think commenting about "cockroach well being" on this thread was a good idea on my part. I want to make myself clearer: I have no problem with killing them, not even (actually specially) for scientific or pest control purposes. Summarily killing them is exactly what I do when they appear around me. What I won't do (and find ethically or morally questionable besides cruel) is to play with them while inflicting pain. They have nerves and neurons and they surely feel pain. The kit I linked, sold as a toy, is pure animal cruelty. No matter if it tortures a cockroach or a dog.
- theonething 4y ago
  > I have no problem with killing them, > What I won't do (and find ethically or morally questionable besides cruel) is to play with them while inflicting pain Nobody here is saying it's ok to torture roaches for fun. The article doesn't say that either. The lasers are for pest control. So you're kind of arguing with the air here.
theonething 4y ago
Well said. Of all the problems and things to worry about in this world, the well being of roaches...
- doctor_eval 4y ago
  Could not agree less. Unkindness to creatures inevitably results in a devaluation of all life, including human life. Just look at the sorry state of the world today. I am OK to kill a cockroach, but not to inflict unnecessary suffering on it, or any creature.
  - theonething 4y ago
    > I am OK to kill a cockroach I don't see where our disagreement is then. > inflict unnecessary suffering on it I don't believe I've said anything to that effect. Perhaps you're insinuating that based on my dismissing of the well being of roaches. My statement is in the context of this thread, using lasers for pest control. I'm saying it's ridiculous to worry about the well being of roaches in the context of pest control. Besides, I would think lasers result in instant death which is more humane that most pesticides. > Unkindness to creatures inevitably results in a devaluation of all life, including human life. I would agree with that to an extent. If you think pest control falls under the category of unkindness, then I would disagree because if you think that, you're valuing roach life more than human life. If that is your value, you have a right to that belief, but I vehemently disagree.
  - Traubenfuchs 4y ago
    Your sentiment is absolutely not a mainstream one, but I get the idea: If everyone where to think like that, we wouldn't have wars. So, I can't just outright ridicule it like some other commenters.

It usually goes without saying, but it's up to each man to exert his own will toward a spiritual value higher than that of mere vermin. Here we find one who lacks the strength to do even this.

marcodiego 4y ago

> Here we find one who lacks the strength to do even this. Picturing me as someone who "lacks the strength" "to exert his own will toward a spiritual value higher than that of mere vermin" is offensive. Ok, I don't think commenting about "cockroach well being" on this thread was a good idea on my part. I want to make myself clearer: I have no problem with killing them, not even (actually specially) for scientific or pest control purposes. Summarily killing them is exactly what I do when they appear around me. What I won't do (and find ethically or morally questionable besides cruel) is to play with them while inflicting pain. They have nerves and neurons and they surely feel pain. The kit I linked, sold as a toy, is pure animal cruelty. No matter if it tortures a cockroach or a dog.

theonething 4y ago
> I have no problem with killing them, > What I won't do (and find ethically or morally questionable besides cruel) is to play with them while inflicting pain Nobody here is saying it's ok to torture roaches for fun. The article doesn't say that either. The lasers are for pest control. So you're kind of arguing with the air here.

theonething 4y ago

Well said. Of all the problems and things to worry about in this world, the well being of roaches...

doctor_eval 4y ago
Could not agree less. Unkindness to creatures inevitably results in a devaluation of all life, including human life. Just look at the sorry state of the world today. I am OK to kill a cockroach, but not to inflict unnecessary suffering on it, or any creature.
- theonething 4y ago
  > I am OK to kill a cockroach I don't see where our disagreement is then. > inflict unnecessary suffering on it I don't believe I've said anything to that effect. Perhaps you're insinuating that based on my dismissing of the well being of roaches. My statement is in the context of this thread, using lasers for pest control. I'm saying it's ridiculous to worry about the well being of roaches in the context of pest control. Besides, I would think lasers result in instant death which is more humane that most pesticides. > Unkindness to creatures inevitably results in a devaluation of all life, including human life. I would agree with that to an extent. If you think pest control falls under the category of unkindness, then I would disagree because if you think that, you're valuing roach life more than human life. If that is your value, you have a right to that belief, but I vehemently disagree.
- Traubenfuchs 4y ago
  Your sentiment is absolutely not a mainstream one, but I get the idea: If everyone where to think like that, we wouldn't have wars. So, I can't just outright ridicule it like some other commenters.