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> Neutralisation of cockroaches Neutralisation means killing. Where I work it must pass by an ethic committee before experimentation. People may think of cockr

> Neutralisation of cockroaches Neutralisation means killing. Where I work it must pass by an ethic committee before experimentation. People may think of cockroaches as expendable garbage, but they deserve humane treatment like any other cobain. I remember a kit which was sold as a toy and allowed remote control of a cockroach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLTntnFeGE0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLTntnFeGE0 , sold as a toy this is pure animal cruelty.

chinabot 4y ago
Yeah right, From someone who lives in a pristine manicured environment I bet.. Laser the fucking lot of them I say.
- frebord 4y ago
  I feel you here. After living with them for a couple years I started to feel crazy when I would crush the skittering ones with my bare hands in hopes of making a dent. After trying dozens of extermination strategies I cackled when the first generation of deformed roaches started being born when using gentrol. >:)
  - hyperbovine 4y ago
    If you live in the tropics, geckos are a great solution. Cute too.
henearkr 4y ago
As we set up machines do the hard work for us, why not just have the machine scoop up the cockroach in a little box and store it to be freed later far away from the house? It would be far more impressive and "feels good news" than just one more insect-killing technological tool.
- scarby2 4y ago
  nobody is buying something that's just going to capture roaches.
  - henearkr 4y ago
    I would, definitely! And members of my family who do not like roaches also agree that it would be better to not kill them. But I really do need that for mosquitoes, with a tiny vacuum mounted on a quadcopter with a high-precision camera and a GPU for edge AI.
    - MayeulC 4y ago
      I thought about the last part before. It just sounds like we need more dragonflies (they check all the boxes).
  - silverpepsi 4y ago
    there's a lot of value in no kill capture, they can be repurposed I guess some of y'all don't remember highschool and that one teacher you couldn't stand
  - adrianN 4y ago
    Imagine having to transport a box with dozens of roaches somewhere to empty it
    - henearkr 4y ago
      Not very difficult. If it disgusts you too much, why not let the drone do it for you. Then again, if it disgusts you that much, you probably prefer killing the poor beasts.
- bhawks 4y ago
  > As we set up machines do the hard work for us, why not just have the machine scoop up the cockroach in a little box and store it to be freed later far away from the house? Far away where? Assuming we could airlift roaches anywhere - the location they get dropped off will be significantly impacted. In the best case you've condemned the roaches to await starvation (they will canabalize each other too). Which is like killing them with extra steps and wasted energy. Most likely they will impact the other living beings around them negatively. Just quickly kill them when they are in areas that negatively impact your quality of life and don't feel bad when you do. Nature doesn't let you be neutral.
  - henearkr 4y ago
    Why is it so hard to think about releasing them in a forest or in a field? They don't eat wheat or corn, so that would be a solution, also they don't eat trees, so the forest is safe. They will always find what they need in a forest, and in a lesser extent in a field, as they can lunch on whatever decomposed food or smaller animals they find. Very unlikey that they starve to death, at worst they just don't have enough stamina to reproduce, which is the natural way to autoregulate. And a starved insect will slow down its metabolism and then die peacefully, there is no need to "show mercy" by putting it to death lol.
svnpenn 4y ago
cool I agree. Lets put them all in your house.
collegeburner 4y ago
where do you work that requires ethics reviews on roaches? and where is the line for where it's considered cruel or not? tbh i have 0 issues killing bugs. do you not believe in pest control?
- marcodiego 4y ago
  > where do you work that requires ethics reviews on roaches? A university. > and where is the line for where it's considered cruel or not? I don't know. I never needed ethical committee approval and was never part of it and never asked this particular question. > tbh i have 0 issues killing bugs. I'd bet the same about the ethical committee members. > do you not believe in pest control? Sure I do believe!
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    ok fair answers but if you "believe they deserve humane treatment" how do you square that with pest control? is laser burning less humane than poisoning (status quo)? also it is definitely more humane for the humans (like no worries about small children licking a poisoned floorboard).
    - marcodiego 4y ago
      I definitely didn't express myself well. What I really mean is: if you're doing scientific experiments with animals, I think they deserve as little pain as possible. I also must say I don't have much sympathy for cockroaches but playing with them like toys while inflicting pain is animal cruelty. About pest control... well, I don't really care that much about roaches; but I'd do really care if they were, for example, dogs. So, the fact that I don't care that much doesn't means it is not ethically questionable. If anyone has a good simple idea to develop pesticides which minimize suffering, I wouldn't be opposed to it.
hogepiyo 4y ago
I can understand the issue with the latter (almost feels akin to the sadistic sort of things kids do in general to insects...) but just killing them as a means of pest control I'm not quite sure I can grasp what the ethical concern is.
unwind 4y ago
Uh, sorry for possibly seeming dense, but did you mean to write "cobain" there? What does that mean, in this context? All I can find searching the word is of course about Kurt Cobain ... wondering if you somehow abstracted "all living beings" to "a bit like Kurt Cobain", or something, which would be quite an impressive jump and one I haven't seen before. Or it's a typo I can't figure out, of course.
- marcodiego 4y ago
  I've seen the word "cobain" being used in English as a translation to the Portuguese word "cobaia". It means an animal that is used in scientific experiments.
- brtkdotse 4y ago
  Autocorrect for “vermin”?
homonculus1 4y ago
It usually goes without saying, but it's up to each man to exert his own will toward a spiritual value higher than that of mere vermin. Here we find one who lacks the strength to do even this.
- marcodiego 4y ago
  > Here we find one who lacks the strength to do even this. Picturing me as someone who "lacks the strength" "to exert his own will toward a spiritual value higher than that of mere vermin" is offensive. Ok, I don't think commenting about "cockroach well being" on this thread was a good idea on my part. I want to make myself clearer: I have no problem with killing them, not even (actually specially) for scientific or pest control purposes. Summarily killing them is exactly what I do when they appear around me. What I won't do (and find ethically or morally questionable besides cruel) is to play with them while inflicting pain. They have nerves and neurons and they surely feel pain. The kit I linked, sold as a toy, is pure animal cruelty. No matter if it tortures a cockroach or a dog.
  - theonething 4y ago
    > I have no problem with killing them, > What I won't do (and find ethically or morally questionable besides cruel) is to play with them while inflicting pain Nobody here is saying it's ok to torture roaches for fun. The article doesn't say that either. The lasers are for pest control. So you're kind of arguing with the air here.
- theonething 4y ago
  Well said. Of all the problems and things to worry about in this world, the well being of roaches...
  - doctor_eval 4y ago
    Could not agree less. Unkindness to creatures inevitably results in a devaluation of all life, including human life. Just look at the sorry state of the world today. I am OK to kill a cockroach, but not to inflict unnecessary suffering on it, or any creature.

chinabot 4y ago

Yeah right, From someone who lives in a pristine manicured environment I bet.. Laser the fucking lot of them I say.

frebord 4y ago
I feel you here. After living with them for a couple years I started to feel crazy when I would crush the skittering ones with my bare hands in hopes of making a dent. After trying dozens of extermination strategies I cackled when the first generation of deformed roaches started being born when using gentrol. >:)
- hyperbovine 4y ago
  If you live in the tropics, geckos are a great solution. Cute too.

henearkr 4y ago

As we set up machines do the hard work for us, why not just have the machine scoop up the cockroach in a little box and store it to be freed later far away from the house? It would be far more impressive and "feels good news" than just one more insect-killing technological tool.

scarby2 4y ago
nobody is buying something that's just going to capture roaches.
- henearkr 4y ago
  I would, definitely! And members of my family who do not like roaches also agree that it would be better to not kill them. But I really do need that for mosquitoes, with a tiny vacuum mounted on a quadcopter with a high-precision camera and a GPU for edge AI.
  - MayeulC 4y ago
    I thought about the last part before. It just sounds like we need more dragonflies (they check all the boxes).
- silverpepsi 4y ago
  there's a lot of value in no kill capture, they can be repurposed I guess some of y'all don't remember highschool and that one teacher you couldn't stand
- adrianN 4y ago
  Imagine having to transport a box with dozens of roaches somewhere to empty it
  - henearkr 4y ago
    Not very difficult. If it disgusts you too much, why not let the drone do it for you. Then again, if it disgusts you that much, you probably prefer killing the poor beasts.
bhawks 4y ago
> As we set up machines do the hard work for us, why not just have the machine scoop up the cockroach in a little box and store it to be freed later far away from the house? Far away where? Assuming we could airlift roaches anywhere - the location they get dropped off will be significantly impacted. In the best case you've condemned the roaches to await starvation (they will canabalize each other too). Which is like killing them with extra steps and wasted energy. Most likely they will impact the other living beings around them negatively. Just quickly kill them when they are in areas that negatively impact your quality of life and don't feel bad when you do. Nature doesn't let you be neutral.
- henearkr 4y ago
  Why is it so hard to think about releasing them in a forest or in a field? They don't eat wheat or corn, so that would be a solution, also they don't eat trees, so the forest is safe. They will always find what they need in a forest, and in a lesser extent in a field, as they can lunch on whatever decomposed food or smaller animals they find. Very unlikey that they starve to death, at worst they just don't have enough stamina to reproduce, which is the natural way to autoregulate. And a starved insect will slow down its metabolism and then die peacefully, there is no need to "show mercy" by putting it to death lol.

svnpenn 4y ago

cool I agree. Lets put them all in your house.

collegeburner 4y ago

where do you work that requires ethics reviews on roaches? and where is the line for where it's considered cruel or not? tbh i have 0 issues killing bugs. do you not believe in pest control?

marcodiego 4y ago
> where do you work that requires ethics reviews on roaches? A university. > and where is the line for where it's considered cruel or not? I don't know. I never needed ethical committee approval and was never part of it and never asked this particular question. > tbh i have 0 issues killing bugs. I'd bet the same about the ethical committee members. > do you not believe in pest control? Sure I do believe!
- collegeburner 4y ago
  ok fair answers but if you "believe they deserve humane treatment" how do you square that with pest control? is laser burning less humane than poisoning (status quo)? also it is definitely more humane for the humans (like no worries about small children licking a poisoned floorboard).
  - marcodiego 4y ago
    I definitely didn't express myself well. What I really mean is: if you're doing scientific experiments with animals, I think they deserve as little pain as possible. I also must say I don't have much sympathy for cockroaches but playing with them like toys while inflicting pain is animal cruelty. About pest control... well, I don't really care that much about roaches; but I'd do really care if they were, for example, dogs. So, the fact that I don't care that much doesn't means it is not ethically questionable. If anyone has a good simple idea to develop pesticides which minimize suffering, I wouldn't be opposed to it.

hogepiyo 4y ago

I can understand the issue with the latter (almost feels akin to the sadistic sort of things kids do in general to insects...) but just killing them as a means of pest control I'm not quite sure I can grasp what the ethical concern is.

unwind 4y ago

Uh, sorry for possibly seeming dense, but did you mean to write "cobain" there? What does that mean, in this context? All I can find searching the word is of course about Kurt Cobain ... wondering if you somehow abstracted "all living beings" to "a bit like Kurt Cobain", or something, which would be quite an impressive jump and one I haven't seen before. Or it's a typo I can't figure out, of course.

marcodiego 4y ago
I've seen the word "cobain" being used in English as a translation to the Portuguese word "cobaia". It means an animal that is used in scientific experiments.
brtkdotse 4y ago
Autocorrect for “vermin”?

homonculus1 4y ago

It usually goes without saying, but it's up to each man to exert his own will toward a spiritual value higher than that of mere vermin. Here we find one who lacks the strength to do even this.

marcodiego 4y ago
> Here we find one who lacks the strength to do even this. Picturing me as someone who "lacks the strength" "to exert his own will toward a spiritual value higher than that of mere vermin" is offensive. Ok, I don't think commenting about "cockroach well being" on this thread was a good idea on my part. I want to make myself clearer: I have no problem with killing them, not even (actually specially) for scientific or pest control purposes. Summarily killing them is exactly what I do when they appear around me. What I won't do (and find ethically or morally questionable besides cruel) is to play with them while inflicting pain. They have nerves and neurons and they surely feel pain. The kit I linked, sold as a toy, is pure animal cruelty. No matter if it tortures a cockroach or a dog.
- theonething 4y ago
  > I have no problem with killing them, > What I won't do (and find ethically or morally questionable besides cruel) is to play with them while inflicting pain Nobody here is saying it's ok to torture roaches for fun. The article doesn't say that either. The lasers are for pest control. So you're kind of arguing with the air here.
theonething 4y ago
Well said. Of all the problems and things to worry about in this world, the well being of roaches...
- doctor_eval 4y ago
  Could not agree less. Unkindness to creatures inevitably results in a devaluation of all life, including human life. Just look at the sorry state of the world today. I am OK to kill a cockroach, but not to inflict unnecessary suffering on it, or any creature.