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I teach visual effects and digital art. I am used to the madly compLex interfaces (Maya, Blender, Nuke etc). I have no fear of such software. But I am completel

by Daub 4y ago

I teach visual effects and digital art. I am used to the madly compLex interfaces (Maya, Blender, Nuke etc). I have no fear of such software. But I am completely defeated by Teams. - Why two windows when you are in a meeting? The second window is sometimes hard to find intuitively. - Why, when opening an attachment, is the user locked out of chat? Again, with many windows open, the preview can look and function like whatever app is native to the previewed file. - is there a way to disable camera previews when sharing screen? The two together take up way too much interface. If there is a way, I should not have to search for it. - Upload a file to chat and sending that file are two separate actions. Why? I can’t count the number of times I have to remind students to press the send button after upload.

jeffrallen 4y ago
Also is function X under the three dot menu, the inexplicable and sometimes not there "other three dot menu", the gear, or the sidebar? It's like $PATH, but for UI elements.
hardware2win 4y ago
>Why two windows when you are in a meeting? The second window is sometimes hard to find intuitively. What do you mean? Aint the icon stacked on task bar? >Upload a file to chat and sending that file are two separate actions. Why? I can’t count the number of times I have to remind students to press the send button after upload. I think it could be sane in such a way that you dont send something by accident
- Daub 4y ago
  > I think it could be sane in such a way that you dont send something by accident I understand that. However, the way they implemented it was clumsy. See my comments below. For this, this is a serios time-waster. Every day I have to remind people use this feature incorrectly.
DocTomoe 4y ago
> - Why two windows when you are in a meeting? The second window is sometimes hard to find intuitively. Seriously, that is a godsend if you are presenting a lot and have a two+ monitor setup - have the presentation up on one, still see your participants on the other one. > - Upload a file to chat and sending that file are two separate actions. Why? I can’t count the number of times I have to remind students to press the send button after upload. That's a safeguard. Too easy to send the wrong file. Making it a two-step process gives the user a chance to recognise a mistake and correct it.
- sandos 4y ago
  Wait, the default in teams is surely not to "undock" the presentation? Its a combined window with participants and presentation/video, and the other window is just the rest of Teams... But I do agree "undock" is awesome, its the only way to get near-fullscreen on presenations. So in this case there is actually 3 windows...
- Daub 4y ago
  Maybe. But in teaching, the bulk of users expect Facebook-normal behavior. Dropping a file in a FB chat places it into the chat box but does not upload. Placing it into a Teams chat box will upload the file and give the impression that the 'task is done'. As I mentioned, in class, every single day I have to remind students to press the send button. This tells me something very clearly: that they did not observe users actually using this app before they released it.
  - DocTomoe 4y ago
    Hm, to me it sounds more like Microsoft Teams was not designed to be a tool for teaching, but meant to be used in Office-like environments, which have other requirements than classrooms. Trucks are useful and many features of them make sense on a ranch - but they are cumbersome and awkward in the inner city.
- Daub 4y ago
  > - Seriously, that is a godsend if you are presenting a lot and have a two+ monitor setup - have the presentation up on one, still see your participants on the other one. For me, apps that spit out windows became a PITA when you have many apps open (which I always do). Two screen benefit can be had from following the lead of an app like Resolve, which has a built-in two-screen feature. Why not use tabs to accommodate the two functions? Or some other widget? Currently, it honestly feels like two apps stuck together. The fact that, when previewing a file, the chat window visually presents exactly as Word, Excell or whatever does not help.

by Daub 4y ago

jeffrallen 4y ago

Also is function X under the three dot menu, the inexplicable and sometimes not there "other three dot menu", the gear, or the sidebar? It's like $PATH, but for UI elements.

hardware2win 4y ago

>Why two windows when you are in a meeting? The second window is sometimes hard to find intuitively. What do you mean? Aint the icon stacked on task bar? >Upload a file to chat and sending that file are two separate actions. Why? I can’t count the number of times I have to remind students to press the send button after upload. I think it could be sane in such a way that you dont send something by accident

Daub 4y ago
> I think it could be sane in such a way that you dont send something by accident I understand that. However, the way they implemented it was clumsy. See my comments below. For this, this is a serios time-waster. Every day I have to remind people use this feature incorrectly.

DocTomoe 4y ago

> - Why two windows when you are in a meeting? The second window is sometimes hard to find intuitively. Seriously, that is a godsend if you are presenting a lot and have a two+ monitor setup - have the presentation up on one, still see your participants on the other one. > - Upload a file to chat and sending that file are two separate actions. Why? I can’t count the number of times I have to remind students to press the send button after upload. That's a safeguard. Too easy to send the wrong file. Making it a two-step process gives the user a chance to recognise a mistake and correct it.

sandos 4y ago
Wait, the default in teams is surely not to "undock" the presentation? Its a combined window with participants and presentation/video, and the other window is just the rest of Teams... But I do agree "undock" is awesome, its the only way to get near-fullscreen on presenations. So in this case there is actually 3 windows...
Daub 4y ago
Maybe. But in teaching, the bulk of users expect Facebook-normal behavior. Dropping a file in a FB chat places it into the chat box but does not upload. Placing it into a Teams chat box will upload the file and give the impression that the 'task is done'. As I mentioned, in class, every single day I have to remind students to press the send button. This tells me something very clearly: that they did not observe users actually using this app before they released it.
- DocTomoe 4y ago
  Hm, to me it sounds more like Microsoft Teams was not designed to be a tool for teaching, but meant to be used in Office-like environments, which have other requirements than classrooms. Trucks are useful and many features of them make sense on a ranch - but they are cumbersome and awkward in the inner city.
Daub 4y ago
> - Seriously, that is a godsend if you are presenting a lot and have a two+ monitor setup - have the presentation up on one, still see your participants on the other one. For me, apps that spit out windows became a PITA when you have many apps open (which I always do). Two screen benefit can be had from following the lead of an app like Resolve, which has a built-in two-screen feature. Why not use tabs to accommodate the two functions? Or some other widget? Currently, it honestly feels like two apps stuck together. The fact that, when previewing a file, the chat window visually presents exactly as Word, Excell or whatever does not help.