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Thinking, that people living in russia should bear responsibility for what russia does, is not really that presumptuous, given what russia is doing. Russia 10

Thinking, that people living in russia should bear responsibility for what russia does, is not really that presumptuous, given what russia is doing. Russia 101: Russia forcibly mobilizes men from occupied teritotries, most of them will die off in the spec operation, then (after war) loyal russians will be imported to that region.

dmitrygr 4y ago
Are you willing to take in 100M russians? Got a big back yard, with schools and hospitals to take care of them? If not, where are they to go exactly? What is it you want them to do? They live in a de-facto dictatorship. Most are normal people trying to just live a life. They have as much effect on Putin as you do (possibly less).
- luckylion 4y ago
  Does that not absolve everyone of everything but Putin himself? His generals were "just following orders", the politicians "couldn't do anything alone", the tank-engineers were "just trying to live a life", the soldiers invading Ukraine "really have no influence", so they choose to murder Ukrainians instead of turning their guns on those they allegedly have no influence over.
  - dmitrygr 4y ago
    $higher_power willing you never end up with a choice of either obeying orders to go kill someone or having your family executed in front of you. Bottom level grunts only have this choice.
lawn 4y ago
Some Russians are oppressed and really poor. Those who should take responsibility are the rich who also don't have to worry about being sent to war. The question is, how do we make them take responsibility?
- vkou 4y ago
  > The question is, how do we make them take responsibility? Easy. Sanctions, travel bans, financial restrictions, and stop buying natgas.
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ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> people living in russia should bear responsibility for what russia does Ramzan Kadirov is a regional warlord in russia, known foe decades for murder and torture. Before the war he had instagram and other social media accounts. Should the Western leaders ever take responsebility for working with blooduly dictators when it suits? As opposed to some poor John Doe in the middle of Siberia, who protested mutiple times and got nothing but a broken skull to show for it https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/09/the-observer-view-on-anti-kremlin-protests-in-siberia https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/09/the-ob...

dmitrygr 4y ago

Are you willing to take in 100M russians? Got a big back yard, with schools and hospitals to take care of them? If not, where are they to go exactly? What is it you want them to do? They live in a de-facto dictatorship. Most are normal people trying to just live a life. They have as much effect on Putin as you do (possibly less).

luckylion 4y ago
Does that not absolve everyone of everything but Putin himself? His generals were "just following orders", the politicians "couldn't do anything alone", the tank-engineers were "just trying to live a life", the soldiers invading Ukraine "really have no influence", so they choose to murder Ukrainians instead of turning their guns on those they allegedly have no influence over.
- dmitrygr 4y ago
  $higher_power willing you never end up with a choice of either obeying orders to go kill someone or having your family executed in front of you. Bottom level grunts only have this choice.

lawn 4y ago

Some Russians are oppressed and really poor. Those who should take responsibility are the rich who also don't have to worry about being sent to war. The question is, how do we make them take responsibility?

vkou 4y ago
> The question is, how do we make them take responsibility? Easy. Sanctions, travel bans, financial restrictions, and stop buying natgas.
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ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> people living in russia should bear responsibility for what russia does Ramzan Kadirov is a regional warlord in russia, known foe decades for murder and torture. Before the war he had instagram and other social media accounts. Should the Western leaders ever take responsebility for working with blooduly dictators when it suits? As opposed to some poor John Doe in the middle of Siberia, who protested mutiple times and got nothing but a broken skull to show for it https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/09/the-observer-view-on-anti-kremlin-protests-in-siberia https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/09/the-ob...