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My nation state exterminated Jews and other nationalities in WW2. I do feel a bit of responsibility and shame. Putin didn't appear in vacuum. He is a product o

My nation state exterminated Jews and other nationalities in WW2. I do feel a bit of responsibility and shame. Putin didn't appear in vacuum. He is a product of his society. Every Russian out there is to blame for this war.

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faebi 4y ago
> Every Russian out there is to blame for this war. You might as well blame the poor for being poor. I understand every Russian who says it's not worth it to try.
- logical_ferry 4y ago
  Well, they'll have an opportunity to rethink their views in Ukraine. Germany was a militaristic society once. They aren't anymore.
chupasaurus 4y ago
> Putin didn't appear in vacuum. He is a product of his society. Every Russian out there is to blame for this war. I agree with first 2 sentences but have to correct: his societies were outlaws and KGB (legal outlaws) which is far from representing the whole population.
- logical_ferry 4y ago
  > which is far from representing the whole population. They had parents, went to daycare, went to school, made life choices, went to university, worked a job... They didn't just materialize in KGB one day.
  - chupasaurus 4y ago
    Putin's both parents worked at a factory which means no parents most of the time, the daycare was provided by the "criminal elements" [sic] on the streets, he stated that he wanted to join KGB during childhood, he didn't pass entry exams as he entered university as a sportsman and became KGB's agent (not an employee), his job was KGB then after the fall of Berlin Wall he worked for rector of his uni for a brief time and after that for a docent who went into politics and happened to become the mayor of now St. Petersburg in 1991...
    - logical_ferry 4y ago
      Now that you've put it that way then yeah, I see how most Russian are absolved of guilt for this war.
      - chupasaurus 4y ago
        It's very complicated topic which also could be simplified to "a slowly boiled frog with bandits controlling the heat".
zen_1 4y ago
> I do feel a bit of responsibility and shame. Assuming you weren't alive when those decisions were made or did not support them at the time, I don't see why you should. You have little control over the actions of your nation-state today, you had none when those atrocities were being committed. The vast majority of the people alive today bear no responsibility whatsoever for the events of WWII
lm28469 4y ago
> My nation state exterminated Jews and other nationalities in WW2 Germany ? If so do you not feel ashamed about buying Russian gas for decades ? It wasn't the moral choice but it was the cheapest One of your previous chancellor works for Gazprom, the whole Germany is to blame I guess ? If you start blaming citizens for their politicians we're all war criminals. Are every single Americans liable for Abu Ghraib ?
- logical_ferry 4y ago
  Not Germany. I boight Russian gas, I wasn't even aware of issues. There are Russian gas stations still working in my country, I stopped buying there.

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faebi 4y ago

> Every Russian out there is to blame for this war. You might as well blame the poor for being poor. I understand every Russian who says it's not worth it to try.

logical_ferry 4y ago
Well, they'll have an opportunity to rethink their views in Ukraine. Germany was a militaristic society once. They aren't anymore.

chupasaurus 4y ago

> Putin didn't appear in vacuum. He is a product of his society. Every Russian out there is to blame for this war. I agree with first 2 sentences but have to correct: his societies were outlaws and KGB (legal outlaws) which is far from representing the whole population.

logical_ferry 4y ago
> which is far from representing the whole population. They had parents, went to daycare, went to school, made life choices, went to university, worked a job... They didn't just materialize in KGB one day.
- chupasaurus 4y ago
  Putin's both parents worked at a factory which means no parents most of the time, the daycare was provided by the "criminal elements" [sic] on the streets, he stated that he wanted to join KGB during childhood, he didn't pass entry exams as he entered university as a sportsman and became KGB's agent (not an employee), his job was KGB then after the fall of Berlin Wall he worked for rector of his uni for a brief time and after that for a docent who went into politics and happened to become the mayor of now St. Petersburg in 1991...
  - logical_ferry 4y ago
    Now that you've put it that way then yeah, I see how most Russian are absolved of guilt for this war.
    - chupasaurus 4y ago
      It's very complicated topic which also could be simplified to "a slowly boiled frog with bandits controlling the heat".

zen_1 4y ago

> I do feel a bit of responsibility and shame. Assuming you weren't alive when those decisions were made or did not support them at the time, I don't see why you should. You have little control over the actions of your nation-state today, you had none when those atrocities were being committed. The vast majority of the people alive today bear no responsibility whatsoever for the events of WWII

lm28469 4y ago

> My nation state exterminated Jews and other nationalities in WW2 Germany ? If so do you not feel ashamed about buying Russian gas for decades ? It wasn't the moral choice but it was the cheapest One of your previous chancellor works for Gazprom, the whole Germany is to blame I guess ? If you start blaming citizens for their politicians we're all war criminals. Are every single Americans liable for Abu Ghraib ?

logical_ferry 4y ago
Not Germany. I boight Russian gas, I wasn't even aware of issues. There are Russian gas stations still working in my country, I stopped buying there.