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it's descriptive, carries a lot of connotation, none of which actually involves the city or the people of shanghai, I don't get why anyone has beef with it.

rPlayer6554 4y ago
I have no idea what that term means.
a_t48 4y ago
I prefer press-ganging.
morelisp 4y ago
It's not at all descriptive, it's purely allusive. You could learn everything there is to learn about the actual city and not have a clue what it meant.
- yongjik 4y ago
  > You could learn everything there is to learn about the actual city and not have a clue what it meant. I don't think that's what "descriptive" means. The term is as descriptive as much as "laconic" or "china" or "japan" (meaning varnish) - in each case, you can't independently derive the word's meaning from the original place name.
colinmhayes 4y ago
It's literally the opposite of descriptive. Obviously it's not a big deal, but it's an easy thing to fix.
- SauciestGNU 4y ago
  Maybe "kidnapped into servitude/slavery" is more accurate?
  - morelisp 4y ago
    Both "impressment" and "conscription" are more accurate and actually descriptive. (Though one form, "impressed", can be vague due its homonym.) (Since I'm getting downvoted anyway - anyone avoiding the overwhelmingly more common near-synonym, "drafted", is doing so because they don't like to remember that the US can still do it, too.)
    - viridian 4y ago
      I personally feel that conscription/drafting carries a different connotation than impressment/shanghai'ing, but maybe that's just due to the historical context in which they were used. The former I expect to be a highly managed process through which the state renders you unable to seek employment, housing, education, free movement etc, in order to coerce or capture you violating the law, encouraging you to present yourself willingly rather than dealing with criminal charges in addition to or instead of conscription. The latter, my expectation is that mercenary recruiters, driven by sales team esque metrics, eventually resort to pulling random young men off the street, out of bars, etc, based on a best guess of the young man's age. It's far more chaotic, error prone, and disruptive to family life, while being less coersive.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > It's literally the opposite of descriptive. Obviously it's not a big deal, but it's an easy thing to fix. Did you know all words are just sounds with an arbitrary connection to what they describe (except the unusual case of onomatopoeia, of course)? It's exactly as descriptive as most other words, and the benefit over a neologism is the arbitrary connection has already been established in speakers' minds.

rPlayer6554 4y ago

I have no idea what that term means.

a_t48 4y ago

I prefer press-ganging.

morelisp 4y ago

It's not at all descriptive, it's purely allusive. You could learn everything there is to learn about the actual city and not have a clue what it meant.

yongjik 4y ago
> You could learn everything there is to learn about the actual city and not have a clue what it meant. I don't think that's what "descriptive" means. The term is as descriptive as much as "laconic" or "china" or "japan" (meaning varnish) - in each case, you can't independently derive the word's meaning from the original place name.

colinmhayes 4y ago

It's literally the opposite of descriptive. Obviously it's not a big deal, but it's an easy thing to fix.

SauciestGNU 4y ago
Maybe "kidnapped into servitude/slavery" is more accurate?
- morelisp 4y ago
  Both "impressment" and "conscription" are more accurate and actually descriptive. (Though one form, "impressed", can be vague due its homonym.) (Since I'm getting downvoted anyway - anyone avoiding the overwhelmingly more common near-synonym, "drafted", is doing so because they don't like to remember that the US can still do it, too.)
  - viridian 4y ago
    I personally feel that conscription/drafting carries a different connotation than impressment/shanghai'ing, but maybe that's just due to the historical context in which they were used. The former I expect to be a highly managed process through which the state renders you unable to seek employment, housing, education, free movement etc, in order to coerce or capture you violating the law, encouraging you to present yourself willingly rather than dealing with criminal charges in addition to or instead of conscription. The latter, my expectation is that mercenary recruiters, driven by sales team esque metrics, eventually resort to pulling random young men off the street, out of bars, etc, based on a best guess of the young man's age. It's far more chaotic, error prone, and disruptive to family life, while being less coersive.
tablespoon 4y ago
> It's literally the opposite of descriptive. Obviously it's not a big deal, but it's an easy thing to fix. Did you know all words are just sounds with an arbitrary connection to what they describe (except the unusual case of onomatopoeia, of course)? It's exactly as descriptive as most other words, and the benefit over a neologism is the arbitrary connection has already been established in speakers' minds.