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It’s the only conclusion to take from your ramblings… what else did you want to convey?

foverzar 4y ago
Well learn to read, then. You can live in an imaginary world of ponies and rainbows where wars don't happen at all cuz you really-really-really want them not to happen. Unfortunately in real life they DO happen. And when they do, they turn into a complete shitstorm as soon as something like NATO gets involved. And thus my point is that you are a cruel monster if you think that the logic of "Oooh, let's give them some weapons" results in anything but a bloody fun show for wealthy white people.
- trasz 4y ago
  "As soon as NATO gets involved"? It's not NATO who invaded Ukraine, it's Russia. You're blaming the victim - or perhaps the party that decided to help the victim. And perhaps this is the root of the misunderstanding. You're assuming that Russia somehow "has the right" to invade. That's what many Americans believe about their country, but there's a crucial difference: US is a world power, Russia isn't. Thus it's not possible to "punish" US, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try with other countries. Especially given that now we know what happens if we fail to do that - it was the western leniency towards Russian invasion on Crimea in 2014 that provoked Putin to do it again.
  - foverzar 4y ago
    > It's not NATO who invaded Ukraine, it's Russia. Yes, and? If your point is that we should exclude all the cause-effect from our thought process, then sorry, but no. > You're blaming the victim NATO isn't the victim. And all it does is making the power struggle between politicians more fiery. > US is a world power, Russia isn't. Thus it's not possible to "punish" US, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try with other countries. I don't really see the logical implication here. The history of the 20th century shows it's very much possible. It's just that people would rather suck up to someone powerful.

Well learn to read, then. You can live in an imaginary world of ponies and rainbows where wars don't happen at all cuz you really-really-really want them not to happen. Unfortunately in real life they DO happen. And when they do, they turn into a complete shitstorm as soon as something like NATO gets involved. And thus my point is that you are a cruel monster if you think that the logic of "Oooh, let's give them some weapons" results in anything but a bloody fun show for wealthy white people.

trasz 4y ago
"As soon as NATO gets involved"? It's not NATO who invaded Ukraine, it's Russia. You're blaming the victim - or perhaps the party that decided to help the victim. And perhaps this is the root of the misunderstanding. You're assuming that Russia somehow "has the right" to invade. That's what many Americans believe about their country, but there's a crucial difference: US is a world power, Russia isn't. Thus it's not possible to "punish" US, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try with other countries. Especially given that now we know what happens if we fail to do that - it was the western leniency towards Russian invasion on Crimea in 2014 that provoked Putin to do it again.
- foverzar 4y ago
  > It's not NATO who invaded Ukraine, it's Russia. Yes, and? If your point is that we should exclude all the cause-effect from our thought process, then sorry, but no. > You're blaming the victim NATO isn't the victim. And all it does is making the power struggle between politicians more fiery. > US is a world power, Russia isn't. Thus it's not possible to "punish" US, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try with other countries. I don't really see the logical implication here. The history of the 20th century shows it's very much possible. It's just that people would rather suck up to someone powerful.