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To me this Hans Niemann thing looked more like a fake publicity stunt. I guess he admitted to cheating a few years ago. Whatever, didn't mean in the game he che

To me this Hans Niemann thing looked more like a fake publicity stunt. I guess he admitted to cheating a few years ago. Whatever, didn't mean in the game he cheated. Yes he outright lied saying he had prepped for magnus but magnus has never played an early move. Hans is probably hitting stride right now having been going fulltime on chess for about 8 years. Cheating likely not necessary, flipside, streamers having to think and deal with the stream which usually results in streamers being underrated. Levon's game changed my mind. This is exactly what computers do sometimes. Some odd move that is unexplainable and then they blow you off the board. This is blowing levon off the board in a njadorf... he's the njadorf expert. No I'm now in the boat he's cheating now.

bombcar 4y ago
Whatever happened it's certainly brought publicity to chess on HN heh.
roflyear 4y ago
He didn't lie, Magnus played a game like that before? Levon blundered, mate. Clearly so. Quote from Levon about this event: "So far I am playing so badly that any points that I get are kind of a miracle"
- incomingpain 4y ago
  >He didn't lie, Magnus played a game like that before? Hans certainly lied by a significant amount. There was a theory that someone on Magnus' team leaked their prep to Hans. Something along those lines may make the comment not a lie but I await evidence. To prove an admitted cheater isn't cheating takes extra effort. >Levon blundered, mate. Clearly so. Definitely a blunder, :snirk: When playing against an engine every human eventually blunders. If you're a supergm you blunder in an unusual way. Like moving a center pawn 1 square. :snirk: >Quote from Levon about this event: "So far I am playing so badly that any points that I get are kind of a miracle" Levon who is currently in 8th place isn't doing that badly. Carlsen whose only loss is hans and he either drew or crushed everyone else...
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  - roflyear 4y ago
    You think... what? That a rumor leaking him prep makes him a liar? What are you talking about? > To prove an admitted cheater isn't cheating takes extra effort. What logic is this? If you commit one crime, now forever you must prove your innocence? That's dumb. It is very obvious that e6 in the game with Levon was a huge blunder. It is not remarkable that a super GM found this. If any other 2700 found this, would you take it as evidence they were cheating? > Levon who is currently in 8th place isn't doing that badly. The point is he admits he was doing poorly. And Hans is in 7th, so clearly having a better tournament. > Carlsen whose only loss is hans and he either drew or crushed everyone else... You know Hans didn't "win" that game, right? Carlsen resigned during the first move. Are you following the events at all or just parroting talking points and making shit up?
    - throwaway81523 4y ago
      > What logic is this? If you commit one crime, now forever you must prove your innocence? That's dumb. You are typically not given an opportunity to prove your innocence, once you have a criminal record. If you apply for a job or apartment and fail the background check, it is usually kthxbye. This is unfortunate in many ways, but it is how the world works.
      - roflyear 4y ago
        Doesn't make it right, and that's not always true, anyway. Plenty of crimes can be expunged etc.. or aren't criminal acts. You're just twisting the argument around, go troll somewhere else.
        throwaway81523 4y ago
        I always understood "typically" and "usually" to mean something different from "always true". They mean what they say. Whether that is good or bad, it is reality, and if you are calling for a large scale refactoring of how the world works, well, you have a big task in front of you. I can tell you that the Niemann stuff is red-hot drama in the chess world (look on r/chess, for example) and there is a range of views. One current reality of the chess world is that federations and playing sites usually won't sanction players for misconduct that is not under their jurisdiction. In Niemann's case, that meant his record of cheating on chess.com didn't stop him from playing in the Sinquefield Cup or in the current Julius Baer tournament. There are several grandmasters complaining about this. They want federations and sites to coordinate with each other, so cheating in one place gets you banned from all of them. Again, whether that's good or bad is up to you, but it's sort of like someone committing a string of crimes in one country and getting to start over in another one. That just doesn't work any more.

bombcar 4y ago

Whatever happened it's certainly brought publicity to chess on HN heh.

roflyear 4y ago

He didn't lie, Magnus played a game like that before? Levon blundered, mate. Clearly so. Quote from Levon about this event: "So far I am playing so badly that any points that I get are kind of a miracle"

incomingpain 4y ago
>He didn't lie, Magnus played a game like that before? Hans certainly lied by a significant amount. There was a theory that someone on Magnus' team leaked their prep to Hans. Something along those lines may make the comment not a lie but I await evidence. To prove an admitted cheater isn't cheating takes extra effort. >Levon blundered, mate. Clearly so. Definitely a blunder, :snirk: When playing against an engine every human eventually blunders. If you're a supergm you blunder in an unusual way. Like moving a center pawn 1 square. :snirk: >Quote from Levon about this event: "So far I am playing so badly that any points that I get are kind of a miracle" Levon who is currently in 8th place isn't doing that badly. Carlsen whose only loss is hans and he either drew or crushed everyone else...
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- roflyear 4y ago
  You think... what? That a rumor leaking him prep makes him a liar? What are you talking about? > To prove an admitted cheater isn't cheating takes extra effort. What logic is this? If you commit one crime, now forever you must prove your innocence? That's dumb. It is very obvious that e6 in the game with Levon was a huge blunder. It is not remarkable that a super GM found this. If any other 2700 found this, would you take it as evidence they were cheating? > Levon who is currently in 8th place isn't doing that badly. The point is he admits he was doing poorly. And Hans is in 7th, so clearly having a better tournament. > Carlsen whose only loss is hans and he either drew or crushed everyone else... You know Hans didn't "win" that game, right? Carlsen resigned during the first move. Are you following the events at all or just parroting talking points and making shit up?
  - throwaway81523 4y ago
    > What logic is this? If you commit one crime, now forever you must prove your innocence? That's dumb. You are typically not given an opportunity to prove your innocence, once you have a criminal record. If you apply for a job or apartment and fail the background check, it is usually kthxbye. This is unfortunate in many ways, but it is how the world works.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      Doesn't make it right, and that's not always true, anyway. Plenty of crimes can be expunged etc.. or aren't criminal acts. You're just twisting the argument around, go troll somewhere else.
      - throwaway81523 4y ago
        I always understood "typically" and "usually" to mean something different from "always true". They mean what they say. Whether that is good or bad, it is reality, and if you are calling for a large scale refactoring of how the world works, well, you have a big task in front of you. I can tell you that the Niemann stuff is red-hot drama in the chess world (look on r/chess, for example) and there is a range of views. One current reality of the chess world is that federations and playing sites usually won't sanction players for misconduct that is not under their jurisdiction. In Niemann's case, that meant his record of cheating on chess.com didn't stop him from playing in the Sinquefield Cup or in the current Julius Baer tournament. There are several grandmasters complaining about this. They want federations and sites to coordinate with each other, so cheating in one place gets you banned from all of them. Again, whether that's good or bad is up to you, but it's sort of like someone committing a string of crimes in one country and getting to start over in another one. That just doesn't work any more.