> I'd sour to Rust too, if that was my primary interaction with the "community". Yeah, understood. I think we both know Rust people face a lot of the same lev

> I'd sour to Rust too, if that was my primary interaction with the "community". Yeah, understood. I think we both know Rust people face a lot of the same level of criticism. And I get it. It's no fun. However, I don't think the way forward is to present the worst possible form of the argument (a strawman, "Rust people think Rust solves all problems", or, a vibe level: us vs them, "Rust people are toxic"). If I wanted, I could rake some C++ people over the coals for being toxic right now, and not just re: Rust, because C++ has more than a few hard core jerks. But whataboutism is just not helpful. I'm more interested in something more substantive/constructive.