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Hey there, just wanted to share my experience with you. I've used Macbooks for the past like 6 years for programming, after several jobs in Silicon Valley requi

by warent 4y ago

Hey there, just wanted to share my experience with you. I've used Macbooks for the past like 6 years for programming, after several jobs in Silicon Valley required it. Apple has been pretty much okay except for some key issues around memory consumption and overheating. After they hit a supply line issue earlier this year, I decided to try getting a Framework instead. Been using my Framework laptop for a month or so now consistently for heavy programming work, and it is the best machine I've ever had. Thank you! It also was the catalyst to get me into using Linux (Ubuntu) which has been a huge blessing beyond what I expected. I posted a photo of myself at a coffee shop to a Discord group, and someone saw the corner of the laptop. They asked "Is that a Macbook I see?" and I explained to them "Nah it's a Framework" and shared the link. Didn't really expect much beyond that, but actually they loved it. Several people looked at it and said "Wow! This sounds amazing! Actually... going to save this for later..."

stavros 4y ago
Having just bought a Framework to replace my 5-year-old XPS, I really hope I have the same experience as you. Do you run Linux, by the way? I hope Linux support is good.
- fab13n 4y ago
  Got one under Ubuntu 22.04. My only issue is that some transitions are frustratingly slow, much moreso than on my 2014 XPS13: * Getting out of sleep (deep RAM sleep, not hibernate) * Handling password/fingerprint authentication once out of sleep * Wifi rescan frequency * Occasionally, plugging/unplugging external screens And I've got no idea why. Once woken up and plugged to whatever I need to use, it's a really good laptop.
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  Same here, make sure you use a very recent distro/kernel for 12th gen support.
- warent 4y ago
  I'm using 12th gen processor, latest versions of Ubuntu and Linux Ubuntu: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS Linux: 5.17.0-051700-generic The only problems I've had so far is the "brightness" fn keys don't work, and bluetooth isn't great with certain devices like Airpods. The brightness keys isn't a big deal, can still set brightness in the OS. It's probably fixable through some manual keymapping. Bluetooth is more annoying but I somehow doubt it's a hardware issue. I just ended up getting Sony wireless earbuds to complete my transition away from Apple. That being said, I also tried to dual boot Windows. Windows really does not like the hardware, and the Framework driver install package (https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/framework-laptop-bios-and-driver-releases-12th-gen-intel-core-Bkx2kosqq https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/framework-laptop-bios...) had limited effect in fixing the issues. Lots of bugs with audio and graphics. So, for now I would say it is too premature for Windows, but great for Linux!
  - boldlybold 4y ago
    I had the same problem, the solution is here: https://community.frame.work/t/12th-gen-not-sending-xf86monbrightnessup-down/20605 https://community.frame.work/t/12th-gen-not-sending-xf86monb... You can enable the hotkey support by blacklisting the hid-sensor-hub driver: vi /etc/modprobe.d/framework-als-blacklist.conf Add the following: blacklist hid-sensor-hub And then restart It worked, but it needed `hid_sensor_hub` with underscores! and `sudo update-initramfs -u` before the reboot
    - warent 4y ago
      Just got around to trying this and it worked. Thank you!
  - nrp 4y ago
    I would be interested in understanding what issues you are seeing on Windows. We do quite a bit of validation on Windows. A sibling comment shared the fix for the brightness keys, but you can also grab that information from our setup guide for Ubuntu: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Ubuntu+22.04+LTS+Installation+on+the+Framework+Laptop/109?lang=en https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Ubuntu+22.04+LTS+Installatio...
- adastra22 4y ago
  Ubuntu 22.04 works out of the box with no issues so far.
- lhl 4y ago
  My Arch on Framework experience has been great. If you're just getting yours up and running, I've been keeping notes on tuning/setup: https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/2022-Framework-Laptop-DIY-Edition-12th-Gen-Intel-Batch-1 https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/2022-Framework-Lapt... Some people have been getting hard graphics lockups (seems to be an Intel 12th-gen GPU / GNOME issue that may be affecting more than just the Frameworks). I'm running Sway and have yet to have any lockups over a month and a half of usage, though. Here's the community discussion thread: https://community.frame.work/t/hard-freezing-on-fedora-36-with-the-new-12th-gen-system/20675 https://community.frame.work/t/hard-freezing-on-fedora-36-wi...
  - stavros 4y ago
    That writeup is extensive, thank you for taking the time!
arein3 4y ago
And then everybody clapped

by warent 4y ago

stavros 4y ago

Having just bought a Framework to replace my 5-year-old XPS, I really hope I have the same experience as you. Do you run Linux, by the way? I hope Linux support is good.

fab13n 4y ago
Got one under Ubuntu 22.04. My only issue is that some transitions are frustratingly slow, much moreso than on my 2014 XPS13: * Getting out of sleep (deep RAM sleep, not hibernate) * Handling password/fingerprint authentication once out of sleep * Wifi rescan frequency * Occasionally, plugging/unplugging external screens And I've got no idea why. Once woken up and plugged to whatever I need to use, it's a really good laptop.
mixmastamyk 4y ago
Same here, make sure you use a very recent distro/kernel for 12th gen support.
warent 4y ago
I'm using 12th gen processor, latest versions of Ubuntu and Linux Ubuntu: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS Linux: 5.17.0-051700-generic The only problems I've had so far is the "brightness" fn keys don't work, and bluetooth isn't great with certain devices like Airpods. The brightness keys isn't a big deal, can still set brightness in the OS. It's probably fixable through some manual keymapping. Bluetooth is more annoying but I somehow doubt it's a hardware issue. I just ended up getting Sony wireless earbuds to complete my transition away from Apple. That being said, I also tried to dual boot Windows. Windows really does not like the hardware, and the Framework driver install package (https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/framework-laptop-bios-and-driver-releases-12th-gen-intel-core-Bkx2kosqq https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/framework-laptop-bios...) had limited effect in fixing the issues. Lots of bugs with audio and graphics. So, for now I would say it is too premature for Windows, but great for Linux!
- boldlybold 4y ago
  I had the same problem, the solution is here: https://community.frame.work/t/12th-gen-not-sending-xf86monbrightnessup-down/20605 https://community.frame.work/t/12th-gen-not-sending-xf86monb... You can enable the hotkey support by blacklisting the hid-sensor-hub driver: vi /etc/modprobe.d/framework-als-blacklist.conf Add the following: blacklist hid-sensor-hub And then restart It worked, but it needed `hid_sensor_hub` with underscores! and `sudo update-initramfs -u` before the reboot
  - warent 4y ago
    Just got around to trying this and it worked. Thank you!
- nrp 4y ago
  I would be interested in understanding what issues you are seeing on Windows. We do quite a bit of validation on Windows. A sibling comment shared the fix for the brightness keys, but you can also grab that information from our setup guide for Ubuntu: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Ubuntu+22.04+LTS+Installation+on+the+Framework+Laptop/109?lang=en https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Ubuntu+22.04+LTS+Installatio...
adastra22 4y ago
Ubuntu 22.04 works out of the box with no issues so far.
lhl 4y ago
My Arch on Framework experience has been great. If you're just getting yours up and running, I've been keeping notes on tuning/setup: https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/2022-Framework-Laptop-DIY-Edition-12th-Gen-Intel-Batch-1 https://github.com/lhl/linuxlaptops/wiki/2022-Framework-Lapt... Some people have been getting hard graphics lockups (seems to be an Intel 12th-gen GPU / GNOME issue that may be affecting more than just the Frameworks). I'm running Sway and have yet to have any lockups over a month and a half of usage, though. Here's the community discussion thread: https://community.frame.work/t/hard-freezing-on-fedora-36-with-the-new-12th-gen-system/20675 https://community.frame.work/t/hard-freezing-on-fedora-36-wi...
- stavros 4y ago
  That writeup is extensive, thank you for taking the time!

arein3 4y ago

And then everybody clapped