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Occam's Razor. If it was backed then they would have produced the evidence long ago instead of dancing around the issue for years and doing phony "audits".

lend000 4y ago
That's different than saying they have zero dollars, like the sibling comment that the parent was probably alluding to. In fact, there have been ~$20 billion in withdrawals during the last few months as the market has turned bearish and the market is reacting to a likely collapse below market capitalization in Tether's non-dollar-backed assets [0]. Are they backed 100%? Probably not during bear markets because they seem to be doing discretionary trading with deposit money. But the options aren't limited to "they have $0" and being 100% backed. [0] https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/ https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/
- cageface 4y ago
  Serious skeptics of Tether are not claiming they have $0. Just much less than they claim to have.
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    Sure, but the content that started this thread is explicitly complaining about people who do claim that Tether has $0 backing it - of which there are a few in this thread. The OP was not complaining that people think Tether is not well enough backed, they were complaining that some are "certain" that it is not backed at all - the least informed being the most certain.
LatteLazy 4y ago
That is fine, as long as it is your belief and you admit you might be wrong. The issue is when you say Occam Razor is a form of proof and you are "certain"...
- cageface 4y ago
  Occam's razor is an heuristic for proceeding in the absence of certainty. Anyone claiming otherwise doesn't understand it. As for Tether I'm certain enough to advise anybody investing it or any currency supported by it to not invest money they can't afford to lose.
  - LatteLazy 4y ago
    So you are certain, but you have no hard facts to base that on, just a heuristic you yourself say should NOT be used to claim certainty? You see my point now?
    - cageface 4y ago
      You're just being pedantic now. We make decisions every day all on imperfect information. There are enough red flags around Tether that I wouldn't bet any real money on it or on the things its propping up. The burden of proof is on Tether. They're the one making the claim they're fully backed.
      - LatteLazy 4y ago
        I am fine with people making decisions on imperfect information. I am not saying Tether is fine. It almost certainly is not. I am just confused why everyone seems to BOTH say they do NOT know AND then advise people and act like it's obvious and clear!?
        Smaug123 4y ago
        The point is that absence of evidence is evidence of absence - in this case, rather strong evidence of absence. Without perfect information, of course nobody knows - but most people do in fact know with sufficient certainty to not bet on Tether (and to advise people similarly not to). Merely "not being certain" of something does not, in fact, mean that it's unclear what to do.
        cuteboy19 4y ago
darcys22 4y ago
I dont get why people think the assurance reports they make are phoney. https://assets.ctfassets.net/vyse88cgwfbl/2xJyKdUKicdRUWpC9buRWR/6fe2987698dbbf39b947af718d736ddb/Std_ISAE_3000R_Opinion_30-6-2022_RC134792022BD0303.pdf https://assets.ctfassets.net/vyse88cgwfbl/2xJyKdUKicdRUWpC9b... Its not like BDO are going to stick their neck out for tether here

lend000 4y ago

That's different than saying they have zero dollars, like the sibling comment that the parent was probably alluding to. In fact, there have been ~$20 billion in withdrawals during the last few months as the market has turned bearish and the market is reacting to a likely collapse below market capitalization in Tether's non-dollar-backed assets [0]. Are they backed 100%? Probably not during bear markets because they seem to be doing discretionary trading with deposit money. But the options aren't limited to "they have $0" and being 100% backed. [0] https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/ https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/

cageface 4y ago
Serious skeptics of Tether are not claiming they have $0. Just much less than they claim to have.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  Sure, but the content that started this thread is explicitly complaining about people who do claim that Tether has $0 backing it - of which there are a few in this thread. The OP was not complaining that people think Tether is not well enough backed, they were complaining that some are "certain" that it is not backed at all - the least informed being the most certain.

LatteLazy 4y ago

That is fine, as long as it is your belief and you admit you might be wrong. The issue is when you say Occam Razor is a form of proof and you are "certain"...

cageface 4y ago
Occam's razor is an heuristic for proceeding in the absence of certainty. Anyone claiming otherwise doesn't understand it. As for Tether I'm certain enough to advise anybody investing it or any currency supported by it to not invest money they can't afford to lose.
- LatteLazy 4y ago
  So you are certain, but you have no hard facts to base that on, just a heuristic you yourself say should NOT be used to claim certainty? You see my point now?
  - cageface 4y ago
    You're just being pedantic now. We make decisions every day all on imperfect information. There are enough red flags around Tether that I wouldn't bet any real money on it or on the things its propping up. The burden of proof is on Tether. They're the one making the claim they're fully backed.
    - LatteLazy 4y ago
      I am fine with people making decisions on imperfect information. I am not saying Tether is fine. It almost certainly is not. I am just confused why everyone seems to BOTH say they do NOT know AND then advise people and act like it's obvious and clear!?
      - Smaug123 4y ago
        The point is that absence of evidence is evidence of absence - in this case, rather strong evidence of absence. Without perfect information, of course nobody knows - but most people do in fact know with sufficient certainty to not bet on Tether (and to advise people similarly not to). Merely "not being certain" of something does not, in fact, mean that it's unclear what to do.
      - cuteboy19 4y ago

darcys22 4y ago

I dont get why people think the assurance reports they make are phoney. https://assets.ctfassets.net/vyse88cgwfbl/2xJyKdUKicdRUWpC9buRWR/6fe2987698dbbf39b947af718d736ddb/Std_ISAE_3000R_Opinion_30-6-2022_RC134792022BD0303.pdf https://assets.ctfassets.net/vyse88cgwfbl/2xJyKdUKicdRUWpC9b... Its not like BDO are going to stick their neck out for tether here