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"Don't have police" and "Defund the police!" are unrealistic slogans that don't win support, even Obama thinks so: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-defund-the

"Don't have police" and "Defund the police!" are unrealistic slogans that don't win support, even Obama thinks so: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-defund-the-police-slogan/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-defund-the-police-slogan/ Something like "De-thugify the police!" (or "No thug cops!", or "Get rid of dumb cops!") might've worked better ("Reform the police" is so bland that it might not excite anyone), and TBH they could've gained a lot of support after that school shooting where the cops just stood around being stupid for an hour or so (I forget which city it was, you know one of the ones of several that occured recently). In that linked article a congresswoman explained that the phrase meant "It's not a slogan but a policy demand. And centering the demand for equitable investments and budgets for communities across the country gets us progress and safety.". But come the frakk on, if you start with "Defund the police", people who disagree with you will have stopped listening before you continue with "... and by that I mean...".

NikolaNovak 4y ago
FWIW, I fully agree. When I initially heard "Defund/decomission police", I thought it was utter insanity. Then (sadly, some time later) when I forced myself to read the policy recommendations, I 100% agreed - alter and reduce the scope of police, move the funding to methods that may provide better results, look at root causes rather than just reactive enforcement, engage with community in more productive and empathetic ways, demilitarize the police force, etc. So I'm 100% the target audience for massive agreement, but mighty flying spaghetti monster, the phrase chosen is awful and completely counter-productive/counter-communicative to any literal-minded nerd like myself :P. If I were a conspiracy theorist I would call it external sabotage :D

NikolaNovak 4y ago

FWIW, I fully agree. When I initially heard "Defund/decomission police", I thought it was utter insanity. Then (sadly, some time later) when I forced myself to read the policy recommendations, I 100% agreed - alter and reduce the scope of police, move the funding to methods that may provide better results, look at root causes rather than just reactive enforcement, engage with community in more productive and empathetic ways, demilitarize the police force, etc. So I'm 100% the target audience for massive agreement, but mighty flying spaghetti monster, the phrase chosen is awful and completely counter-productive/counter-communicative to any literal-minded nerd like myself :P. If I were a conspiracy theorist I would call it external sabotage :D