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> "toxic", to me, is not well-meaning, generally positive people... The self proclaimed intentions or excitement of people has no bearing on whether or not the

• mustache_kimono 4y ago
  I don't necessarily disagree. There can be a "toxic positivity". So, partially agree, but I think this side of the argument needs to be more fully fleshed out, and, if this is to be a serious criticism, I think the anti-Rust folks need to, for lack of a better word, lead, and be examples non-toxic behavior. Posting unserious vibe level HN comments is not leadership.
  • manfre 4y ago
    If group A creates a toxic environment and group B reacts (and potentially contributes to) the toxic environment, why would it fall upon group B to lead fixing the situation? Your disagreement aligns with victim blaming.
    • mustache_kimono 4y ago
      > If group A creates a toxic environment and group B reacts (and potentially contributes to) the toxic environment, why would it fall upon group B to lead fixing the situation? Your disagreement aligns with victim blaming. I strongly disagree with this sentiment for lots of reasons. Most significantly, because who is to say who created the environment? This is a lesser form of debate sometimes used in American politics, and I'd prefer not to engage in it -- "Rs did Y first, so we Ds are completely justified in doing X." Moreover, your characterization of anti-Rust folks as somehow "victims" is fundamentally ridiculous. Get a grip. This isn't leadership. This is nursing resentment.