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Also... the growing movement to sexualize other people's children.

yeuxardents 4y ago
There _already_ is and has ben censorship of books in schools for decades upon decades....adult sex novels are not included in the average school library and for good reason, and thats exactly what this is about as well, as you point out.
- m_mueller 4y ago
  I'd like a bit more differentiated discussion on this - does LGBTQ actually mean sexual topics or does it include a book where having same-sex parents is shown as normal? From skimming the article that wasn't quite clear to me.
  - malcolmgreaves 4y ago
    The latter. There's an entirely different category for sexual content. If you look at the bar chart, you'll see that these bans are predominantly targeting books that have LGBTQ characters. And books that have non-white characters.
    - willcipriano 4y ago
      One school board wouldn't let a parent read a except from one of the books due to the content being deemed inappropriate for children: https://www.foxnews.com/us/parent-reading-sexual-content-school-cut-off-board-member-irony https://www.foxnews.com/us/parent-reading-sexual-content-sch...
      - jasonlotito 4y ago
        This is misleading. It was a high-school level book being read over a broadcast which they wanted to make available for children not at a high school level. It was being read by a mother of children who weren't in high school, and did not have access to the book.
        willcipriano 4y ago
        Why would a mere depiction of gay characters be inappropriate for young children?
        jasonlotito 4y ago
        I don't know. I didn't suggest it, nor did I make any mention or provide any opinion on the matter. I read the article you published as evidence, and provided the context showing how you were misrepresenting the story to suit whatever false narrative you were pushing. I'm not sure what agenda you have here, but lying to demonstrate something is never a good sign.
        eesmith 4y ago
        I don't know how you interpret this as "a mere depiction of gay characters." The given quote in the video you linked to was: "Excited now, he pushed into her, and she squeezed her eyes as tightly as she could, her tongue circling her lips. He pushed harder, his breath heavy and labored. She scratched his back, and he cried out. She bit his ear and pulled his hair." This is a description of what appears to be heterosexual characters. Nor does it appear to be a "mere depiction". I would reserve that for something like "Heather Has Two Mommies" (a mere description of a homosexual couple) or "Mr. and Mrs. Brown" (a mere description of a heterosexual couple who have befriended a bear from darkest Peru).
        willcipriano 4y ago
        I am responding to: "these bans are predominantly targeting books that have LGBTQ characters. And books that have non-white characters." My assertion is that I wouldn't expect a book that simply had a gay character in it to receive that response from the school board.
        lern_too_spel 4y ago
        That response from the school board was for a high school book (not about LGBT characters) being read by some unhinged mother in a place with elementary age children.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
    I think the debate is not whether same-sex parents are depicted, but when they openly manifest their sexuality towards each other (like kissing) - some parents object to this.
kradeelav 4y ago
May I ask where you're seeing this?
- CedarMills 4y ago
  The fight is with the parents vs. educators. They can't stand that parents have ability to choose what books their kids should (or shouldn't) read.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    Ah, so these parents should be able to say their child shouldn't read a biology textbook that discusses the theory of evolution?
    - CedarMills 4y ago
      Ah yes, the slipper slope. Let's be honest, librarians and educators have a ton of power and no oversight in indoctrinating children into the views that they want. Now that parents are challenging them, all of sudden, PEN America believes that parents should have no say on the material their kids read.
      - lern_too_spel 4y ago
        It's not a slippery slope. That is literally what you are advocating. The same parents who don't want their children to know what Ruby Bridges went through or that gay people exist also don't want their children to learn about evolution.
    - moistly 4y ago
      Nonono. They’re saying your child shouldn't read a biology textbook that discusses the theory of evolution.
  - jasonlotito 4y ago
    Parents already have that. They are now trying to limit it for other children. Why should I be allowed to deny your children access to books at school?
msackler1 4y ago
novantadue 4y ago
And to trans other people's children. Children need be protected from activists with weird sexual fetishes. https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/canadian-transgender-teacher-with-ginormous-prosthetic-clown-boobs/ https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/canadian-transgender-t...

There _already_ is and has ben censorship of books in schools for decades upon decades....adult sex novels are not included in the average school library and for good reason, and thats exactly what this is about as well, as you point out.

m_mueller 4y ago
I'd like a bit more differentiated discussion on this - does LGBTQ actually mean sexual topics or does it include a book where having same-sex parents is shown as normal? From skimming the article that wasn't quite clear to me.
- malcolmgreaves 4y ago
  The latter. There's an entirely different category for sexual content. If you look at the bar chart, you'll see that these bans are predominantly targeting books that have LGBTQ characters. And books that have non-white characters.
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    One school board wouldn't let a parent read a except from one of the books due to the content being deemed inappropriate for children: https://www.foxnews.com/us/parent-reading-sexual-content-school-cut-off-board-member-irony https://www.foxnews.com/us/parent-reading-sexual-content-sch...
    - jasonlotito 4y ago
      This is misleading. It was a high-school level book being read over a broadcast which they wanted to make available for children not at a high school level. It was being read by a mother of children who weren't in high school, and did not have access to the book.
      - willcipriano 4y ago
        Why would a mere depiction of gay characters be inappropriate for young children?
        jasonlotito 4y ago
        I don't know. I didn't suggest it, nor did I make any mention or provide any opinion on the matter. I read the article you published as evidence, and provided the context showing how you were misrepresenting the story to suit whatever false narrative you were pushing. I'm not sure what agenda you have here, but lying to demonstrate something is never a good sign.
        eesmith 4y ago
        I don't know how you interpret this as "a mere depiction of gay characters." The given quote in the video you linked to was: "Excited now, he pushed into her, and she squeezed her eyes as tightly as she could, her tongue circling her lips. He pushed harder, his breath heavy and labored. She scratched his back, and he cried out. She bit his ear and pulled his hair." This is a description of what appears to be heterosexual characters. Nor does it appear to be a "mere depiction". I would reserve that for something like "Heather Has Two Mommies" (a mere description of a homosexual couple) or "Mr. and Mrs. Brown" (a mere description of a heterosexual couple who have befriended a bear from darkest Peru).
        willcipriano 4y ago
        I am responding to: "these bans are predominantly targeting books that have LGBTQ characters. And books that have non-white characters." My assertion is that I wouldn't expect a book that simply had a gay character in it to receive that response from the school board.
        lern_too_spel 4y ago
        That response from the school board was for a high school book (not about LGBT characters) being read by some unhinged mother in a place with elementary age children.
- dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
  I think the debate is not whether same-sex parents are depicted, but when they openly manifest their sexuality towards each other (like kissing) - some parents object to this.

kradeelav 4y ago

May I ask where you're seeing this?

CedarMills 4y ago
The fight is with the parents vs. educators. They can't stand that parents have ability to choose what books their kids should (or shouldn't) read.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Ah, so these parents should be able to say their child shouldn't read a biology textbook that discusses the theory of evolution?
  - CedarMills 4y ago
    Ah yes, the slipper slope. Let's be honest, librarians and educators have a ton of power and no oversight in indoctrinating children into the views that they want. Now that parents are challenging them, all of sudden, PEN America believes that parents should have no say on the material their kids read.
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      It's not a slippery slope. That is literally what you are advocating. The same parents who don't want their children to know what Ruby Bridges went through or that gay people exist also don't want their children to learn about evolution.
  - moistly 4y ago
    Nonono. They’re saying your child shouldn't read a biology textbook that discusses the theory of evolution.
- jasonlotito 4y ago
  Parents already have that. They are now trying to limit it for other children. Why should I be allowed to deny your children access to books at school?

msackler1 4y ago

novantadue 4y ago

And to trans other people's children. Children need be protected from activists with weird sexual fetishes. https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/canadian-transgender-teacher-with-ginormous-prosthetic-clown-boobs/ https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/canadian-transgender-t...