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It's been a interesting past couple of days of drama but the article fails to mention that twitch employees were accepting large amounts of money from gambling

It's been a interesting past couple of days of drama but the article fails to mention that twitch employees were accepting large amounts of money from gambling streamers live on stream. https://twitter.com/ostonox/status/1572264800616599552 https://twitter.com/ostonox/status/1572264800616599552 https://nitter.rawbit.ninja/ostonox/status/1572264800616599552 https://nitter.rawbit.ninja/ostonox/status/15722648006165995...

zzixp 4y ago
According to what I've seen on /r/livestreamfail (take everything with the finest grain of salt possible), it was only one twitch employee who took money, and they have since passed away.
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- gloryjulio 4y ago
  (We know so far)
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  > it was only one twitch employee who took money, Ha. Take that with a global annual production of salt.
- legohead 4y ago
  Supposedly it was a raffle created by the streamer, which the employee should not have joined. But I wasn't there so again, hearsay.
blint_carton 4y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if that's against a "Twitch/Amazon code of conduct", but that fact at face value doesn't mean anything nefarious. These could call center employees, qa testers, developers, etc that have no connection to the internal politics of deciding what is allowed on the platform. If they are in fact the decision makers or able to influence policy, yes that' doesn't seem right.
scifibestfi 4y ago
Is that what triggered this action now? It's odd because any category of streamer could be paying employees large sums of money to recommend them. A lot of gamers say that Pool & Hot Tub streams are being recommended despite only watching game streams. Now that's probably because they have high engagement and sub activity, but they or any category could just as well be influencing employees.
- lucideer 4y ago
  For this particular category I think there's going to be a lot more contributing variables than for gambling. Not only would it have high engagement and sub activity but: - a lot of the streamers also game - even if they don't, there are streamer cliques and social groups which are primarily gaming, of which they're a part - a lot of viewers who only watch gaming will watch some streamer within the aforementioned clique/social group and be exposed to crossovers - a lot of the viewers of that category also watch gaming streamers, so this will put those streams in the "people who watch this also watch" algorithmic bucket None of the above are significantly the case for gambling except maybe the last one, and even then much less so.
- sam0x17 4y ago
  The decision happened literally live while Hasan was talking about how terrible it is that gambling content is still allowed on Twitch in front of an enormous audience so I'm inclined to believe this exposure forced their hand on a decision they were already considering making, probably for a while.
- rstat1 4y ago
  >A lot of gamers say that Pool & Hot Tub streams are being recommended despite only watching game streams In my experience, Twitch recommendations seem to be based heavily on what you watch, so if that's what they're seeing its probably because they watched it at some point.
  - boesboes 4y ago
    Not if you don't use twitch much I think. I've only ever watched MTG tournaments and a handful of replays of factorio & pokemon streams. I too get the hottub streams recommended from time to time. Stopped after I reported it as porn a few times, but that might be a coincidence.
plandis 4y ago
This was the give away to random people in chat that happened months ago?
- randac 4y ago
  Yes. IIRC there were two low level Twitch employees who won something in the giveaway, but I believe they were entered because they performed chat moderation (yes, using the same mod tools normal channel moderators use) for the streamer in question (Trainwrecks). It's being made out like this was some form of bribe, but that seems disingenuous given they have (had, one died, one left the company) no influence over Twitch policies, and the decision to accept gifts (or not) is their responsibility as an Amazon employee either way. Perhaps they have colleagues who they could sway who are involved in policy setting, but that feels like reaching to me. However take this with a pinch of salt too, I wouldn't like to bet on being fully correct! ;)

zzixp 4y ago

According to what I've seen on /r/livestreamfail (take everything with the finest grain of salt possible), it was only one twitch employee who took money, and they have since passed away.

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gloryjulio 4y ago
(We know so far)
MichaelCollins 4y ago
> it was only one twitch employee who took money, Ha. Take that with a global annual production of salt.
legohead 4y ago
Supposedly it was a raffle created by the streamer, which the employee should not have joined. But I wasn't there so again, hearsay.

blint_carton 4y ago

I wouldn't be surprised if that's against a "Twitch/Amazon code of conduct", but that fact at face value doesn't mean anything nefarious. These could call center employees, qa testers, developers, etc that have no connection to the internal politics of deciding what is allowed on the platform. If they are in fact the decision makers or able to influence policy, yes that' doesn't seem right.

scifibestfi 4y ago

Is that what triggered this action now? It's odd because any category of streamer could be paying employees large sums of money to recommend them. A lot of gamers say that Pool & Hot Tub streams are being recommended despite only watching game streams. Now that's probably because they have high engagement and sub activity, but they or any category could just as well be influencing employees.

lucideer 4y ago
For this particular category I think there's going to be a lot more contributing variables than for gambling. Not only would it have high engagement and sub activity but: - a lot of the streamers also game - even if they don't, there are streamer cliques and social groups which are primarily gaming, of which they're a part - a lot of viewers who only watch gaming will watch some streamer within the aforementioned clique/social group and be exposed to crossovers - a lot of the viewers of that category also watch gaming streamers, so this will put those streams in the "people who watch this also watch" algorithmic bucket None of the above are significantly the case for gambling except maybe the last one, and even then much less so.
sam0x17 4y ago
The decision happened literally live while Hasan was talking about how terrible it is that gambling content is still allowed on Twitch in front of an enormous audience so I'm inclined to believe this exposure forced their hand on a decision they were already considering making, probably for a while.
rstat1 4y ago
>A lot of gamers say that Pool & Hot Tub streams are being recommended despite only watching game streams In my experience, Twitch recommendations seem to be based heavily on what you watch, so if that's what they're seeing its probably because they watched it at some point.
- boesboes 4y ago
  Not if you don't use twitch much I think. I've only ever watched MTG tournaments and a handful of replays of factorio & pokemon streams. I too get the hottub streams recommended from time to time. Stopped after I reported it as porn a few times, but that might be a coincidence.

plandis 4y ago

This was the give away to random people in chat that happened months ago?

randac 4y ago
Yes. IIRC there were two low level Twitch employees who won something in the giveaway, but I believe they were entered because they performed chat moderation (yes, using the same mod tools normal channel moderators use) for the streamer in question (Trainwrecks). It's being made out like this was some form of bribe, but that seems disingenuous given they have (had, one died, one left the company) no influence over Twitch policies, and the decision to accept gifts (or not) is their responsibility as an Amazon employee either way. Perhaps they have colleagues who they could sway who are involved in policy setting, but that feels like reaching to me. However take this with a pinch of salt too, I wouldn't like to bet on being fully correct! ;)