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> EU-funded project cannot succeed in tech because previous EU-funded projects have failed in tech in the past (and generally government-funded project in tech

> EU-funded project cannot succeed in tech because previous EU-funded projects have failed in tech in the past (and generally government-funded project in tech are suspicious) I'm not suspicious of all government-funded projects (back in the day my own PhD was government-funded!) but I can't help be suspicious of claims such as: "an open European infrastructure for internet search, based on European values and jurisdiction" and "The project will be contributing to Europe’s digital sovereignty" Q1: Who defines "European values"? Is that done by Qualified Majority voting or would - for instance - Hungary have a veto on any proposed definition? Q2: Which treaties regulate "digital sovereignty"? Recalling that the 27 member states each "remain sovereign and independent"[0], is that digital sovereignty being handled in BRU, in the 27 states, or a mixture of both? [0] https://op.europa.eu/webpub/com/eu-what-it-is/en/ https://op.europa.eu/webpub/com/eu-what-it-is/en/

bryanrasmussen 4y ago
>"an open European infrastructure for internet search, based on European values and jurisdiction" jurisdiction = GDPR will not be cheated. European = We mistrust America, because they do crappy stuff that meant we had to pass GDPR. >Europe’s digital sovereignty Means - Europe will not be ruled by interests outside Europe, the interests inside Europe can fight it out via EU procedures.
- logifail 4y ago
  > jurisdiction = GDPR will not be cheated Are there (m)any global search engines with European users who are "cheating" GDPR? Which ones? > Europe will not be ruled by interests outside Europe That's a very bold claim, especially considering the geopolitical situation right now. > the interests inside Europe can fight it out via EU procedures Would that be the interests of the estimated 25k-30k lobbyists who work in Brussels on behalf of their corporate paymasters?
  - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
    are you reading my post as being a statement that these will be the results instead of my providing an interpretation of what the original EU text means? >Would that be the interests of the estimated 25k-30k lobbyists who work in Brussels on behalf of their corporate paymasters? probably, as well as the various governments that exist in the EU.
- nix23 4y ago
  >European = We mistrust America, because they do crappy stuff that meant we had to pass GDPR. But we still mistrust our citizens that's why we introduce Chat-control 2.0, so we have a "better then China" control over private communication. European values ;)
  - phoefer 4y ago
    Remember that the EU is not just one person. There are many people, parties and organisations who are actively fighting against legislation like this.
    - nix23 4y ago
      You mean begging not fighting right? But why should i trust Europe more then for example Google (at least they can protect their "trade-secrets/data"). That's why People trust evil-company's more then stupid[1] Governments. [1] never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

bryanrasmussen 4y ago

>"an open European infrastructure for internet search, based on European values and jurisdiction" jurisdiction = GDPR will not be cheated. European = We mistrust America, because they do crappy stuff that meant we had to pass GDPR. >Europe’s digital sovereignty Means - Europe will not be ruled by interests outside Europe, the interests inside Europe can fight it out via EU procedures.

logifail 4y ago
> jurisdiction = GDPR will not be cheated Are there (m)any global search engines with European users who are "cheating" GDPR? Which ones? > Europe will not be ruled by interests outside Europe That's a very bold claim, especially considering the geopolitical situation right now. > the interests inside Europe can fight it out via EU procedures Would that be the interests of the estimated 25k-30k lobbyists who work in Brussels on behalf of their corporate paymasters?
- bryanrasmussen 4y ago
  are you reading my post as being a statement that these will be the results instead of my providing an interpretation of what the original EU text means? >Would that be the interests of the estimated 25k-30k lobbyists who work in Brussels on behalf of their corporate paymasters? probably, as well as the various governments that exist in the EU.
nix23 4y ago
>European = We mistrust America, because they do crappy stuff that meant we had to pass GDPR. But we still mistrust our citizens that's why we introduce Chat-control 2.0, so we have a "better then China" control over private communication. European values ;)
- phoefer 4y ago
  Remember that the EU is not just one person. There are many people, parties and organisations who are actively fighting against legislation like this.
  - nix23 4y ago
    You mean begging not fighting right? But why should i trust Europe more then for example Google (at least they can protect their "trade-secrets/data"). That's why People trust evil-company's more then stupid[1] Governments. [1] never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.