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> Freedoms only apply to governments. Period. On purpose > It’s convenient that you preempted the argument that kills your entire comment, you made everyone el
by alldayeveryday 4y ago
> Freedoms only apply to governments. Period. On purpose
> It’s convenient that you preempted the argument that kills your entire comment, you made everyone else’s job easier.
Ironic, you just did the thing you accused me of.
Putting that aside, "You especially cannot force a business to deal with you if they don’t want to" is where I disagree with you. In the case of a bakery, I agree with you. In the case of what could be classified as a public utility, such as a payment system, is where I disagree with you. Certain services which have monopolistic or near monopolistic positions and being necessary to participate in the economy (paypal) or society (facebook) should not be in the business of policing speech. And it is the governments role in making sure this is the case (as the collective muscle of the people to ensure their rights are maintained). We've been indoctrinated for decades to fear and limit the ability of the government to do as such, as well as indoctrinated for decades to place the rights of business interests above our own rights as citizens. I argue to break this position of slavery and place our rights first. Why shouldn't Paypal be forced to do business with me?
- mynameisvlad 4y agoPayPal is not a public utility, as much as you’d want it to be one. Until the government determines it is one, then the rules of public utilities don’t apply. Once again, regardless how much you wish it were so. It shouldn’t be forced to do business with you because it is a private business and not the government. It also is nowhere near a monopoly. Plenty of payment processors exist. Another comment here literally talks about new ones springing up. It is equivalent to the bakery store in your example.
- alldayeveryday 4y agoWhat are we here debating? The way things are or the way we think they should be? I think the latter, you seem to be debating the former.
- scarface74 4y agoIf the government wants a public payment system it should create one. I can much easier leave a corporation and not give them money. The government has “a legal monopoly on violence”.