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Love this: > Always look at the date when you read a hardware article. Some of the content in this article is most likely out of date, as it was written on Sep

by donut 4y ago

Love this: > Always look at the date when you read a hardware article. Some of the content in this article is most likely out of date, as it was written on September 19, 2011. Not only do they have a date on the article (and many posts in recent years simply don't), but they draw your attention to it because it's long ago. It's such a small but important detail. Instantly increases my trust for the company.

jeffbee 4y ago
I actually came to complain about that warning. Why does it exist? These are just experimental observations. They are valid forever. Many of the thermodynamics texts I needed at university traced their first editions to the 19th century. They didn’t come with weird disclaimers.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  It's not weird, and it's not a disclaimer! Many articles I come across online don't have a date on them.
- npteljes 4y ago
  I suspect it's the feature of the website engine. I have seen it on other websites as well - it just appends this disclaimer, after a preset amount of time.
  - Karliss 4y ago
    Yes few clicks looking at other articles on that website confirm that they show that warning for all posts older than ~1 year. Makes sense for a blog focusing mostly on latest computer hardware and software benchmarks which can get outdated quit quickly.
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- TehCorwiz 4y ago
  While this is broadly true it does ignore some interesting developments in CPU fans. Ten years ago fan sizes were smaller and blade designs less differentiated. Now, there are fans optimized for air flow for air cooled systems and fans optimized for static pressure for cooling radiators in water cooled systems. This opens up a whole bunch of questions which may obsolete these results. Does the change and differentiation in fan blade design have implications for grill interference noise with regards to this data? Do fans that are optimized for flow versus those for pressure behave the same? Do 80mm, 120mm, and 140mm all have the same grill noise characteristics?
  - whyoh 4y ago
    Anecdotal, but even with the new fans, stamped out grills still perform poorly in terms of noise. They're popular because they're cheap. I'd gladly pay $10 more for a PC case with a less noisy grill, but I can't find any that has this, not even ones that are advertised as "silent".
    - rtkwe 4y ago
      It's a pretty easy mod if you really want to swap to wire grills. 10 minutes with a dremel and 10 more to make it look ok again and you can have a completely open fan mount.
      - fomine3 4y ago
        I did it for honeycomb grill with metal scissors, and replaced to cheap metal wire ring grille. It significantly reduces noise.
- hedora 4y ago
  Well, for one thing, the once-excellent model of fan they picked aged as well as an avocado green Chevy Nova with a rusted out coffee can muffler: https://graphicscardhub.com/best-silent-pc-fans/ https://graphicscardhub.com/best-silent-pc-fans/
  - elabajaba 4y ago
    That list is terrible. They clearly didn't do any testing and just copied off the spec sheet, and ignored what enthusiasts actually recommend as good fans in 2022 (Corsair fans are terrible, Arctic F12 instead of P12, etc).
  - afterburner 4y ago
    Weird, I remember Noctua fans being really good ten years ago too. Choosing Antec feels like a deliberately mid-range choice, but I don't remember how they were thought of back then.
- rtkwe 4y ago
  You're comparing fundamental laws of physics to consumer product interactions. PC fan design is not static on the quiet end and neither are grill designs though they're less fluid. The interaction between them matters though for the kinds of changes and noise they're trying to measure.
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SilasX 4y ago
Okay, but also keep proper perspective. 2011 is not some kind of ancient history in the domain of fluid mechanics and fan design. Reminds me of the time some Rust advocates insisted 2016 was an era before programmers were aware of the concepts of abstraction and separation of concerns: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19109418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19109418
- anamexis 4y ago
  The link seems to be you just constructing that straw man, with no one insisting on those things at all.
  - SilasX 4y ago
    I said the problem was that the function calls didn't obey well-understood practices for abstraction.[1] Responses defend it on the grounds that it was a long time ago, i.e. 2016. Where's the straw man? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19109093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19109093
    - anamexis 4y ago
      Where does anyone insist that "2016 was an era before programmers were aware of the concepts of abstraction and separation of concerns"?
      - SilasX 4y ago
        Like I just said, the part where they insist my expectations of that library where too high because it was 2016, and my expectation was that it obeyed proper abstraction.
        anamexis 4y ago
        I don't see anyone insisting on that, either.
reaperducer 4y ago
many posts in recent years simply don't Blame Google. It favors the newest content, regardless of quality. Lots of valuable information on the web is just not searchable on Google, even with exact phrasing. Shakespeare is next.

by donut 4y ago

jeffbee 4y ago

I actually came to complain about that warning. Why does it exist? These are just experimental observations. They are valid forever. Many of the thermodynamics texts I needed at university traced their first editions to the 19th century. They didn’t come with weird disclaimers.

robertlagrant 4y ago
It's not weird, and it's not a disclaimer! Many articles I come across online don't have a date on them.
npteljes 4y ago
I suspect it's the feature of the website engine. I have seen it on other websites as well - it just appends this disclaimer, after a preset amount of time.
- Karliss 4y ago
  Yes few clicks looking at other articles on that website confirm that they show that warning for all posts older than ~1 year. Makes sense for a blog focusing mostly on latest computer hardware and software benchmarks which can get outdated quit quickly.
deleted 4y ago
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TehCorwiz 4y ago
While this is broadly true it does ignore some interesting developments in CPU fans. Ten years ago fan sizes were smaller and blade designs less differentiated. Now, there are fans optimized for air flow for air cooled systems and fans optimized for static pressure for cooling radiators in water cooled systems. This opens up a whole bunch of questions which may obsolete these results. Does the change and differentiation in fan blade design have implications for grill interference noise with regards to this data? Do fans that are optimized for flow versus those for pressure behave the same? Do 80mm, 120mm, and 140mm all have the same grill noise characteristics?
- whyoh 4y ago
  Anecdotal, but even with the new fans, stamped out grills still perform poorly in terms of noise. They're popular because they're cheap. I'd gladly pay $10 more for a PC case with a less noisy grill, but I can't find any that has this, not even ones that are advertised as "silent".
  - rtkwe 4y ago
    It's a pretty easy mod if you really want to swap to wire grills. 10 minutes with a dremel and 10 more to make it look ok again and you can have a completely open fan mount.
    - fomine3 4y ago
      I did it for honeycomb grill with metal scissors, and replaced to cheap metal wire ring grille. It significantly reduces noise.
hedora 4y ago
Well, for one thing, the once-excellent model of fan they picked aged as well as an avocado green Chevy Nova with a rusted out coffee can muffler: https://graphicscardhub.com/best-silent-pc-fans/ https://graphicscardhub.com/best-silent-pc-fans/
- elabajaba 4y ago
  That list is terrible. They clearly didn't do any testing and just copied off the spec sheet, and ignored what enthusiasts actually recommend as good fans in 2022 (Corsair fans are terrible, Arctic F12 instead of P12, etc).
- afterburner 4y ago
  Weird, I remember Noctua fans being really good ten years ago too. Choosing Antec feels like a deliberately mid-range choice, but I don't remember how they were thought of back then.
rtkwe 4y ago
You're comparing fundamental laws of physics to consumer product interactions. PC fan design is not static on the quiet end and neither are grill designs though they're less fluid. The interaction between them matters though for the kinds of changes and noise they're trying to measure.
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SilasX 4y ago

Okay, but also keep proper perspective. 2011 is not some kind of ancient history in the domain of fluid mechanics and fan design. Reminds me of the time some Rust advocates insisted 2016 was an era before programmers were aware of the concepts of abstraction and separation of concerns: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19109418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19109418

anamexis 4y ago
The link seems to be you just constructing that straw man, with no one insisting on those things at all.
- SilasX 4y ago
  I said the problem was that the function calls didn't obey well-understood practices for abstraction.[1] Responses defend it on the grounds that it was a long time ago, i.e. 2016. Where's the straw man? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19109093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19109093
  - anamexis 4y ago
    Where does anyone insist that "2016 was an era before programmers were aware of the concepts of abstraction and separation of concerns"?
    - SilasX 4y ago
      Like I just said, the part where they insist my expectations of that library where too high because it was 2016, and my expectation was that it obeyed proper abstraction.
      - anamexis 4y ago
        I don't see anyone insisting on that, either.

reaperducer 4y ago

many posts in recent years simply don't Blame Google. It favors the newest content, regardless of quality. Lots of valuable information on the web is just not searchable on Google, even with exact phrasing. Shakespeare is next.