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Don’t know why you put safety in quotes. You’re implying that this won’t make streets safer, by reducing drunk driving. But reducing drunk driving would in fact

Don’t know why you put safety in quotes. You’re implying that this won’t make streets safer, by reducing drunk driving. But reducing drunk driving would in fact make streets safer. Our goal should be to have zero deaths related to common car usage and driving. For example, the backup camera is there to help reduce the number of people backing up over their own kids. This is a good thing. You can argue that this system may not be the correct implementation to reduce drunk driving. You can argue other things might actually be better. But don’t claim that personal liberty is at stake for people when 43,000 people lost their personal liberty when their lives ended. Why don’t you care about their personal liberty?

Frost1x 4y ago
I'm not aware of any technology reliable, trustworthy, affordable, and quick enough to accomplish said goal without regularly inconveniencing a significantly larger portion of drivers who may need their vehicles in other emergencies. If you could provide a mechanism that didn't infringe non-drunk drivers rights I'd be more apt to accept this idea. I'd also need to know an override mechanism exists because it seems like certain rare situations could arise where you need to operate a vehicle intoxicated, e.g. fleeing for your life in defense with a relatively low risk of injuring someone comparatively. I'm sitting at home sipping a scotch and hear an intruder come in who for some reason is an abusive person after me specifically in my life. I phone the police but also decide it's best if I can safely flee the area. Maybe the police could override it remotely, I don't know. Overall the edge cases seem difficult to deal with and infringe on others liberties. We start talking about the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few and trolly problems with different counts of people on different tracks. I'm just throwing some hypothetical out, it may not be good, but my point is that rare situations can occur and because you were partaking in a legal activity like drinking, due to an emergency change in situation that wasn't predictable, you suddenly need to drive because the risk is now higher than drunk driving. Perhaps a tornado is approaching your house or abusive spouse is out to kill you...
- Wowfunhappy 4y ago
  An override mechanism seems reasonable to me. How about: when you engage the override, a light on your car turns on, as a signal to everyone else on the road that you may be under the influence. Cops who see the light can consider it "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over.
  - noworld 4y ago
    That sounds awful.
    - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
      Why? This fixes the problem of "what do I do if I can't start my car in an emergency?"
      - dbsmith83 4y ago
        ...until you get pulled over > Cops who see the light can consider it "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over.
        Wowfunhappy 4y ago
        In what kind of emergency would this pose a problem? If you're fleeing a natural disaster, the cops will be fleeing too, so they aren't going to pull you over. If you're fleeing someone who wants to kill you, you want to be pulled over so you can receive police protection.
        dbsmith83 4y ago
        I don't think you gave this any serious thought. There are a lot of situations https://www.nfl.com/news/officer-apologizes-after-delaying-texans-moats-as-mother-in-law-09000d5d80f750ff https://www.nfl.com/news/officer-apologizes-after-delaying-t... https://www.ems1.com/airway-management/articles/video-man-being-rushed-to-hospital-stopped-for-speeding-frfBaLMd4ZRTo1aF/ https://www.ems1.com/airway-management/articles/video-man-be... I'm sure you could come up with many more possible scenarios

Frost1x 4y ago

I'm not aware of any technology reliable, trustworthy, affordable, and quick enough to accomplish said goal without regularly inconveniencing a significantly larger portion of drivers who may need their vehicles in other emergencies. If you could provide a mechanism that didn't infringe non-drunk drivers rights I'd be more apt to accept this idea. I'd also need to know an override mechanism exists because it seems like certain rare situations could arise where you need to operate a vehicle intoxicated, e.g. fleeing for your life in defense with a relatively low risk of injuring someone comparatively. I'm sitting at home sipping a scotch and hear an intruder come in who for some reason is an abusive person after me specifically in my life. I phone the police but also decide it's best if I can safely flee the area. Maybe the police could override it remotely, I don't know. Overall the edge cases seem difficult to deal with and infringe on others liberties. We start talking about the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few and trolly problems with different counts of people on different tracks. I'm just throwing some hypothetical out, it may not be good, but my point is that rare situations can occur and because you were partaking in a legal activity like drinking, due to an emergency change in situation that wasn't predictable, you suddenly need to drive because the risk is now higher than drunk driving. Perhaps a tornado is approaching your house or abusive spouse is out to kill you...

Wowfunhappy 4y ago
An override mechanism seems reasonable to me. How about: when you engage the override, a light on your car turns on, as a signal to everyone else on the road that you may be under the influence. Cops who see the light can consider it "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over.
- noworld 4y ago
  That sounds awful.
  - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
    Why? This fixes the problem of "what do I do if I can't start my car in an emergency?"
    - dbsmith83 4y ago
      ...until you get pulled over > Cops who see the light can consider it "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over.
      - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
        In what kind of emergency would this pose a problem? If you're fleeing a natural disaster, the cops will be fleeing too, so they aren't going to pull you over. If you're fleeing someone who wants to kill you, you want to be pulled over so you can receive police protection.
        dbsmith83 4y ago
        I don't think you gave this any serious thought. There are a lot of situations https://www.nfl.com/news/officer-apologizes-after-delaying-texans-moats-as-mother-in-law-09000d5d80f750ff https://www.nfl.com/news/officer-apologizes-after-delaying-t... https://www.ems1.com/airway-management/articles/video-man-being-rushed-to-hospital-stopped-for-speeding-frfBaLMd4ZRTo1aF/ https://www.ems1.com/airway-management/articles/video-man-be... I'm sure you could come up with many more possible scenarios