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yes, scooters and bicycles with electric motors are held to higher standards than cars when it comes to speed/power and it makes no sense

mschuster91 4y ago
Scooters and bicycles have absolutely zero crush zone and have way more potential for serious injuries.
- whyenot 4y ago
  isn't that also true for motorcycles, which aren't held to the same standard?
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    Motorcycles (usually) have regular tech checkups, proper lights and turn indicators, powerful brakes and other accident-avoidance technology. Additionally, unlike e-scooters and e-bikes, you need a license to ride them, further reducing the likelihood of incidents, and at least here in Europe you have two different license categories - higher powered motorcycles are only available at the age of 20 or later.
jeffbee 4y ago
Cars should be limited to .5g forward acceleration, and .5g/s change of acceleration, and you should need the full stroke of the accelerator to get those figures. In other words, all throttle maps stuck in “eco” mode forever. No more twitchy aggressive throttles. Then we won’t have so many drivers murdering school kids in crosswalks because oopsie I tapped the wrong pedal.
- kurupt213 4y ago
  You can’t limit acceleration. That would cripple accident avoidance
  - kennend3 4y ago
    Can you provide a scenario where to avoid an accident the best choice is to add speed, which would have the effect of worsening the accident if you are wrong? Limiting acceleration isn't a great solution, but your idea that accelerating cripples avoidance makes even less sense.
    - kurupt213 4y ago
      Rapid slowing is also acceleration. The vector can be negative
    - leetcrew 4y ago
      > Can you provide a scenario where to avoid an accident the best choice is to add speed, which would have the effect of worsening the accident if you are wrong? you're in the middle lane with cars to your left, right, and rear. the one on the left doesn't see you and starts merging into your lane. if you slam on the brakes, you wouldn't be legally at fault for whatever happens next, but it would probably be best to briskly accelerate.
      - jeffbee 4y ago
        Only an idiot believes this. Please stop driving.
      - kennend3 4y ago
        Or.. honk your horn? Slow down without "slamming on the brakes"? You are not legally at fault for stopping to avoid an accident. In your scenario, lets make one small change, instead of the car being behind you it is in front... does accelerating help?
        leetcrew 4y ago
        > Or.. honk your horn? Slow down without "slamming on the brakes"? this depends on the assumption that other drivers are aware of their surroundings and following you at a safe distance. unfortunately that's not usually the case on roads in my area. you could try that, or you could avoid the entire altercation by escaping to the open space ahead of you. > In your scenario, lets make one small change, instead of the car being behind you it is in front... does accelerating help? is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha? let me make my point more clear. your car has brakes, an accelerator, and a steering wheel. use whichever one of those takes you in the opposite direction of the impending collision and doesn't require other drivers to avoid you instead.

mschuster91 4y ago

Scooters and bicycles have absolutely zero crush zone and have way more potential for serious injuries.

whyenot 4y ago
isn't that also true for motorcycles, which aren't held to the same standard?
- mschuster91 4y ago
  Motorcycles (usually) have regular tech checkups, proper lights and turn indicators, powerful brakes and other accident-avoidance technology. Additionally, unlike e-scooters and e-bikes, you need a license to ride them, further reducing the likelihood of incidents, and at least here in Europe you have two different license categories - higher powered motorcycles are only available at the age of 20 or later.

jeffbee 4y ago

Cars should be limited to .5g forward acceleration, and .5g/s change of acceleration, and you should need the full stroke of the accelerator to get those figures. In other words, all throttle maps stuck in “eco” mode forever. No more twitchy aggressive throttles. Then we won’t have so many drivers murdering school kids in crosswalks because oopsie I tapped the wrong pedal.

kurupt213 4y ago
You can’t limit acceleration. That would cripple accident avoidance
- kennend3 4y ago
  Can you provide a scenario where to avoid an accident the best choice is to add speed, which would have the effect of worsening the accident if you are wrong? Limiting acceleration isn't a great solution, but your idea that accelerating cripples avoidance makes even less sense.
  - kurupt213 4y ago
    Rapid slowing is also acceleration. The vector can be negative
  - leetcrew 4y ago
    > Can you provide a scenario where to avoid an accident the best choice is to add speed, which would have the effect of worsening the accident if you are wrong? you're in the middle lane with cars to your left, right, and rear. the one on the left doesn't see you and starts merging into your lane. if you slam on the brakes, you wouldn't be legally at fault for whatever happens next, but it would probably be best to briskly accelerate.
    - jeffbee 4y ago
      Only an idiot believes this. Please stop driving.
    - kennend3 4y ago
      Or.. honk your horn? Slow down without "slamming on the brakes"? You are not legally at fault for stopping to avoid an accident. In your scenario, lets make one small change, instead of the car being behind you it is in front... does accelerating help?
      - leetcrew 4y ago
        > Or.. honk your horn? Slow down without "slamming on the brakes"? this depends on the assumption that other drivers are aware of their surroundings and following you at a safe distance. unfortunately that's not usually the case on roads in my area. you could try that, or you could avoid the entire altercation by escaping to the open space ahead of you. > In your scenario, lets make one small change, instead of the car being behind you it is in front... does accelerating help? is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha? let me make my point more clear. your car has brakes, an accelerator, and a steering wheel. use whichever one of those takes you in the opposite direction of the impending collision and doesn't require other drivers to avoid you instead.