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You should really start to learn about more than the last 100 years of history. Localized and fights between smaller adversaries have always been more destabili

You should really start to learn about more than the last 100 years of history. Localized and fights between smaller adversaries have always been more destabilizing than bigger standoffs.

foverzar 4y ago
> You should really start to learn about more than the last 100 years of history. Oh please, get off your high horse and stop acting as a superior if all you have is vague accusations of your interlocutor being not as smart as you are. It is hardly correct to compare post-WWII modern conflicts with early 20 century conflicts, much less with the stuff before that. The world is different, communication is different, the economy is different - just look at the comments here: ordinary people from all conflicting countries discuss economic repercussions of their countries being at each-others throats. I wouldn't believe that it has no tangible effect. IMO, people seem really tired of all this shit and most would rather just finish it and be done with it. Unfortunately, since it is a dick swinging contest between superpowers, the whole tension doesn't vent out as it should, but instead it gets unnaturally prolonged. And I am not even touching the subject of that this conflict would have never even been a thing if a certain superpower wasn't so hard on expanding it's sphere of influence on a foreign continent, right at the border of another historically competing superpower.
- desindol 4y ago
  No, my horse is amazing and IMO your opinions are unsubstantiated garbage, just building sandcastles. You are arguing that it's fine to kill a lot of people as long as it's fast and you can overcome the mild inconvience of your own life, insane. Nice talk though.
  - foverzar 4y ago
    > You are arguing that it's fine to kill a lot of people as long as it's fast and you can overcome the mild inconvience of your own life, insane. That wasn't really my point, lol. Like, that wasn't my point AT ALL, did you even read my replies or were you too busy narcissising yourself?
    - desindol 4y ago
      It’s the only conclusion to take from your ramblings… what else did you want to convey?
      - foverzar 4y ago
        Well learn to read, then. You can live in an imaginary world of ponies and rainbows where wars don't happen at all cuz you really-really-really want them not to happen. Unfortunately in real life they DO happen. And when they do, they turn into a complete shitstorm as soon as something like NATO gets involved. And thus my point is that you are a cruel monster if you think that the logic of "Oooh, let's give them some weapons" results in anything but a bloody fun show for wealthy white people.
        trasz 4y ago
        "As soon as NATO gets involved"? It's not NATO who invaded Ukraine, it's Russia. You're blaming the victim - or perhaps the party that decided to help the victim. And perhaps this is the root of the misunderstanding. You're assuming that Russia somehow "has the right" to invade. That's what many Americans believe about their country, but there's a crucial difference: US is a world power, Russia isn't. Thus it's not possible to "punish" US, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try with other countries. Especially given that now we know what happens if we fail to do that - it was the western leniency towards Russian invasion on Crimea in 2014 that provoked Putin to do it again.
        foverzar 4y ago
        > It's not NATO who invaded Ukraine, it's Russia. Yes, and? If your point is that we should exclude all the cause-effect from our thought process, then sorry, but no. > You're blaming the victim NATO isn't the victim. And all it does is making the power struggle between politicians more fiery. > US is a world power, Russia isn't. Thus it's not possible to "punish" US, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try with other countries. I don't really see the logical implication here. The history of the 20th century shows it's very much possible. It's just that people would rather suck up to someone powerful.

You should really start to learn about more than the last 100 years of history. Localized and fights between smaller adversaries have always been more destabilizing than bigger standoffs.

foverzar 4y ago

> You should really start to learn about more than the last 100 years of history. Oh please, get off your high horse and stop acting as a superior if all you have is vague accusations of your interlocutor being not as smart as you are. It is hardly correct to compare post-WWII modern conflicts with early 20 century conflicts, much less with the stuff before that. The world is different, communication is different, the economy is different - just look at the comments here: ordinary people from all conflicting countries discuss economic repercussions of their countries being at each-others throats. I wouldn't believe that it has no tangible effect. IMO, people seem really tired of all this shit and most would rather just finish it and be done with it. Unfortunately, since it is a dick swinging contest between superpowers, the whole tension doesn't vent out as it should, but instead it gets unnaturally prolonged. And I am not even touching the subject of that this conflict would have never even been a thing if a certain superpower wasn't so hard on expanding it's sphere of influence on a foreign continent, right at the border of another historically competing superpower.

desindol 4y ago
No, my horse is amazing and IMO your opinions are unsubstantiated garbage, just building sandcastles. You are arguing that it's fine to kill a lot of people as long as it's fast and you can overcome the mild inconvience of your own life, insane. Nice talk though.
- foverzar 4y ago
  > You are arguing that it's fine to kill a lot of people as long as it's fast and you can overcome the mild inconvience of your own life, insane. That wasn't really my point, lol. Like, that wasn't my point AT ALL, did you even read my replies or were you too busy narcissising yourself?
  - desindol 4y ago
    It’s the only conclusion to take from your ramblings… what else did you want to convey?
    - foverzar 4y ago
      Well learn to read, then. You can live in an imaginary world of ponies and rainbows where wars don't happen at all cuz you really-really-really want them not to happen. Unfortunately in real life they DO happen. And when they do, they turn into a complete shitstorm as soon as something like NATO gets involved. And thus my point is that you are a cruel monster if you think that the logic of "Oooh, let's give them some weapons" results in anything but a bloody fun show for wealthy white people.
      - trasz 4y ago
        "As soon as NATO gets involved"? It's not NATO who invaded Ukraine, it's Russia. You're blaming the victim - or perhaps the party that decided to help the victim. And perhaps this is the root of the misunderstanding. You're assuming that Russia somehow "has the right" to invade. That's what many Americans believe about their country, but there's a crucial difference: US is a world power, Russia isn't. Thus it's not possible to "punish" US, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try with other countries. Especially given that now we know what happens if we fail to do that - it was the western leniency towards Russian invasion on Crimea in 2014 that provoked Putin to do it again.
        foverzar 4y ago
        > It's not NATO who invaded Ukraine, it's Russia. Yes, and? If your point is that we should exclude all the cause-effect from our thought process, then sorry, but no. > You're blaming the victim NATO isn't the victim. And all it does is making the power struggle between politicians more fiery. > US is a world power, Russia isn't. Thus it's not possible to "punish" US, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try with other countries. I don't really see the logical implication here. The history of the 20th century shows it's very much possible. It's just that people would rather suck up to someone powerful.