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I think you need to check yourself here. Homebrew is giving something to the world for free, that they do it on their terms is not entitlement, it's their right

I think you need to check yourself here. Homebrew is giving something to the world for free, that they do it on their terms is not entitlement, it's their right. If you don't like it you can go elsewhere. You thinking that you should have some input on what terms they give their work away for free is what's nose up entitlement here.

sneak 4y ago
- ehutch79 4y ago
  How exactly is it spyware? When you say that, i'm expecting to hear about keystroke loggers, or hoovering up session cookies or something.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    > Spyware is software with malicious behavior that aims to gather information about a person or organization and send it to another entity in a way that harms the user—for example, by violating their privacy or endangering their device's security Definitions vary, of course. But generally I think GA could be seen as spyware unless you tweak it by removing information.
    - akerl_ 4y ago
      > malicious behavior What’s the malicious behavior here? They’re tracking how much usage each homebrew formula has.
      - capableweb 4y ago
        The malicious behavior is gathering information about a person or organization. Opt-out makes this not great for user privacy, while opt-in would.
elondaits 4y ago
For anyone wondering: Homebrew sends data to Google Analytics (https://docs.brew.sh/Analytics https://docs.brew.sh/Analytics) on installs, build breaks, and other events. It's an opt-out setting. Google Analytics violates the European privacy laws (GDPR). Although Homebrew sends a random Homebrew-only analytics user ID, Google gets access to the user's IP and behavioral data. Although Google claims to anonymize the user's IP address, laws like the GDPR intend to protect our private data even in the face of accidental leaking, hacking, and state-actors who could force Google's hand at storing and disclosing it.
- aliqot 4y ago
  Go does this too :/
  - pdimitar 4y ago
    Do you happen to know if it's possible to deny-list a host/IP in my PiHole setup so Golang tools keep working fine but can't send analytics?
    - akerl_ 4y ago
      You don’t need anything that complex; just set GOPROXY to direct in your environment. More details here: https://proxy.golang.org/ https://proxy.golang.org/
      - pdimitar 4y ago
        It already is set to the official host plus the direct option, but does that mean it sends analytics?
        sneak 4y ago
        It doesn’t send any analytics. He is talking about proxy logs.
  - sneak 4y ago
jeltz 4y ago
Just because you are giving away something for free does not entitle you to break the law in Europe. I am more forgiving to people who give away something for free but it is not a carte blanche, morally or legally, to act like an asshole and break the law. Spyware vendors also give away their work for free and your Facebook account is also free. Does that mean these entities can do whatever they like?
- hk__2 4y ago
  > Spyware vendors also give away their work for free and your Facebook account is also free. Does that mean these entities can do whatever they like? Yes. (as long as they respect the law, like anybody)
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sneak 4y ago

ehutch79 4y ago
How exactly is it spyware? When you say that, i'm expecting to hear about keystroke loggers, or hoovering up session cookies or something.
- capableweb 4y ago
  > Spyware is software with malicious behavior that aims to gather information about a person or organization and send it to another entity in a way that harms the user—for example, by violating their privacy or endangering their device's security Definitions vary, of course. But generally I think GA could be seen as spyware unless you tweak it by removing information.
  - akerl_ 4y ago
    > malicious behavior What’s the malicious behavior here? They’re tracking how much usage each homebrew formula has.
    - capableweb 4y ago
      The malicious behavior is gathering information about a person or organization. Opt-out makes this not great for user privacy, while opt-in would.

elondaits 4y ago

For anyone wondering: Homebrew sends data to Google Analytics (https://docs.brew.sh/Analytics https://docs.brew.sh/Analytics) on installs, build breaks, and other events. It's an opt-out setting. Google Analytics violates the European privacy laws (GDPR). Although Homebrew sends a random Homebrew-only analytics user ID, Google gets access to the user's IP and behavioral data. Although Google claims to anonymize the user's IP address, laws like the GDPR intend to protect our private data even in the face of accidental leaking, hacking, and state-actors who could force Google's hand at storing and disclosing it.

aliqot 4y ago
Go does this too :/
- pdimitar 4y ago
  Do you happen to know if it's possible to deny-list a host/IP in my PiHole setup so Golang tools keep working fine but can't send analytics?
  - akerl_ 4y ago
    You don’t need anything that complex; just set GOPROXY to direct in your environment. More details here: https://proxy.golang.org/ https://proxy.golang.org/
    - pdimitar 4y ago
      It already is set to the official host plus the direct option, but does that mean it sends analytics?
      - sneak 4y ago
        It doesn’t send any analytics. He is talking about proxy logs.
- sneak 4y ago

jeltz 4y ago

Just because you are giving away something for free does not entitle you to break the law in Europe. I am more forgiving to people who give away something for free but it is not a carte blanche, morally or legally, to act like an asshole and break the law. Spyware vendors also give away their work for free and your Facebook account is also free. Does that mean these entities can do whatever they like?

hk__2 4y ago
> Spyware vendors also give away their work for free and your Facebook account is also free. Does that mean these entities can do whatever they like? Yes. (as long as they respect the law, like anybody)

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