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The people that could realistically move from Russia already have. Just because all flights are fully booked doens't mean millions are willing to or able to mov

The people that could realistically move from Russia already have. Just because all flights are fully booked doens't mean millions are willing to or able to move. And what gas? Currently Russia is exporting a negligible amount of gas to western countries. They played that card a long time ago. It's almost comical to talk about foresight and Russia in the same sentence without even acknowledging how blind Putin has had to have been to even have considered starting this mess.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> It's almost comical to talk about foresight and Russia in the same sentence I don't think our benchmark for foresight should be an aging dictator thats probably loosing his mind. > The people that could realistically move from Russia already have. What is the basis for this assertion? You could say 'we don't want them here', at least it would be honest. But let's not pretend they had every opportunity to leave and simply chose not to. Most people can't leave because they have no long-term visas to anywhere. Hundreds of thousands of people have fled to Georgia because it's one of the very few countries that allow visa-free entry. Many are illegally overstaying, because there is nothing else they can do. For the top 5% of Russians that have knowledge of English, the legal chops,the income and the grounds to get a western visas, embassies take many months to process your documents, have quotas and limited processing capacity. And they reduced their staff levels since the 'special operation' started. You can even be refused visa to donate an organ to your family https://www.ieyenews.com/uk-leukaemia-transplant-blocked-by-home-office-visa-denial/ https://www.ieyenews.com/uk-leukaemia-transplant-blocked-by-... Suppose you are an upper class Russian that has savings, earned every penny honestly and wants to leave to Britain. What can you do? Well maybe you get yourself an excellent job that sponsors your visa, suppose you have 300k+ of salary and all the time in the world. But can you bring with your dumb brother? No, you will have to leave him behing, watch him get drafted and killed. Can you bring your aging mother with arthritis that needs regular help just to get through the day? No, you cannot. What are you meant to do, leave them behind to die?
- iavael 4y ago
  I generally agree with your message expect of this part. > Hundreds of thousands of people have fled to Georgia because it's one of the very few countries that allow visa-free entry. Many are illegally overstaying, because there is nothing else they can do. Russian citizens can stay in Georgia up to 360 days without visarun (to nearby Armenia for example), so they are hardly overstaying there yet.
- vegardx 4y ago
  I don't blame neighbouring countries for not wanting an influx of Russians to their countries, even though most of them wouldn't want to have anything to do with the current Russian government. That has been used by the Russian government as an excuse for occupation and annexation so many times it's starting to be ridiculous.
- slt2021 4y ago
  russians must stand up to Putin and fight or die being a slave in a war

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> It's almost comical to talk about foresight and Russia in the same sentence I don't think our benchmark for foresight should be an aging dictator thats probably loosing his mind. > The people that could realistically move from Russia already have. What is the basis for this assertion? You could say 'we don't want them here', at least it would be honest. But let's not pretend they had every opportunity to leave and simply chose not to. Most people can't leave because they have no long-term visas to anywhere. Hundreds of thousands of people have fled to Georgia because it's one of the very few countries that allow visa-free entry. Many are illegally overstaying, because there is nothing else they can do. For the top 5% of Russians that have knowledge of English, the legal chops,the income and the grounds to get a western visas, embassies take many months to process your documents, have quotas and limited processing capacity. And they reduced their staff levels since the 'special operation' started. You can even be refused visa to donate an organ to your family https://www.ieyenews.com/uk-leukaemia-transplant-blocked-by-home-office-visa-denial/ https://www.ieyenews.com/uk-leukaemia-transplant-blocked-by-... Suppose you are an upper class Russian that has savings, earned every penny honestly and wants to leave to Britain. What can you do? Well maybe you get yourself an excellent job that sponsors your visa, suppose you have 300k+ of salary and all the time in the world. But can you bring with your dumb brother? No, you will have to leave him behing, watch him get drafted and killed. Can you bring your aging mother with arthritis that needs regular help just to get through the day? No, you cannot. What are you meant to do, leave them behind to die?

iavael 4y ago
I generally agree with your message expect of this part. > Hundreds of thousands of people have fled to Georgia because it's one of the very few countries that allow visa-free entry. Many are illegally overstaying, because there is nothing else they can do. Russian citizens can stay in Georgia up to 360 days without visarun (to nearby Armenia for example), so they are hardly overstaying there yet.
vegardx 4y ago
I don't blame neighbouring countries for not wanting an influx of Russians to their countries, even though most of them wouldn't want to have anything to do with the current Russian government. That has been used by the Russian government as an excuse for occupation and annexation so many times it's starting to be ridiculous.
slt2021 4y ago
russians must stand up to Putin and fight or die being a slave in a war