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Just because we closed our eyes in the past doesn't mean we need to continue doing that. It's the straw that breaks the camels back. Shooting down Russian airp

Just because we closed our eyes in the past doesn't mean we need to continue doing that. It's the straw that breaks the camels back. Shooting down Russian airplanes over Ukrainian territory when they are literally bombing Ukraine is not "an act of war against Russia". That's a bit of a far stretch don't you think? If NATO bombs Belarus and Russian airplanes defend, you can hardly call that "Russian war against NATO".

DoingIsLearning 4y ago
> If NATO bombs Belarus and Russian airplanes defend, you can hardly call that "Russian war against NATO". That is literally a casus belli. It very much is an act of war.
- koonsolo 4y ago
  According to Russia, even sending weapons is an act of war. It all has degrees. There is a clear difference between attacking Russia on their own territory vs defening Ukraine over Ukraine territory, with their consent. Russia would do nothing, just like when Moskva was sunk, just like when airfields on annexed Crimea were attacked. Edit: So what would happen if Russia flies a fighterjet over NATO territory and they shoot it down. An act of war?
rascul 4y ago
> Shooting down Russian airplanes over Ukrainian territory when they are literally bombing Ukraine is not "an act of war against Russia". That's a bit of a far stretch don't you think? It is an act of war. It is not a far stretch.
- koonsolo 4y ago
  It is clearly not threatening "the territorial integrity of Russia", as Russia likes to call it. Because those planes get attacked over enemy territory.
  - rascul 4y ago
    What does that have to do with it? One military shooting down another military's aircraft is an act of war.
    - fellellor 4y ago
      Unless NATO says sorry whenever they shoot down a Russian plane like Turkey did.
    - koonsolo 4y ago
      Clearly not: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_sh... Russia did nothing, as usual.

DoingIsLearning 4y ago

> If NATO bombs Belarus and Russian airplanes defend, you can hardly call that "Russian war against NATO". That is literally a casus belli. It very much is an act of war.

koonsolo 4y ago
According to Russia, even sending weapons is an act of war. It all has degrees. There is a clear difference between attacking Russia on their own territory vs defening Ukraine over Ukraine territory, with their consent. Russia would do nothing, just like when Moskva was sunk, just like when airfields on annexed Crimea were attacked. Edit: So what would happen if Russia flies a fighterjet over NATO territory and they shoot it down. An act of war?

rascul 4y ago

> Shooting down Russian airplanes over Ukrainian territory when they are literally bombing Ukraine is not "an act of war against Russia". That's a bit of a far stretch don't you think? It is an act of war. It is not a far stretch.

koonsolo 4y ago
It is clearly not threatening "the territorial integrity of Russia", as Russia likes to call it. Because those planes get attacked over enemy territory.
- rascul 4y ago
  What does that have to do with it? One military shooting down another military's aircraft is an act of war.
  - fellellor 4y ago
    Unless NATO says sorry whenever they shoot down a Russian plane like Turkey did.
  - koonsolo 4y ago
    Clearly not: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_sh... Russia did nothing, as usual.